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Old 12/07/06, 1:17 PM   #251
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A helpful bug for disc priests in the Battlegrounds is that inner focus isn't being consumed when a single spirit is cast so you can self buff without mana loss (cast Inner Focus followed by Divine Spirit and then Fort). I believe it has been reported already.

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Old 12/07/06, 1:24 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by dakalro
Shadow Embrace from Affliction locks was somewhat confirmed to be a 5% dmg red to all targets so if it modifies HS (it affects physical damage) it should help a bit since it reduces the damage the mob does before armor/Def Stance.
Shadow Embrace affects party members? I thought it was only the warlock.

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Old 12/07/06, 1:35 PM   #253
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I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere, but I appear to have abandoned all quests. I've got a bit of digging to do to make sure that it isn't a display issue, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. My character also disappeared, but for right now I'm going to assume that's the new video card.

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Old 12/07/06, 1:37 PM   #254
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Originally Posted by Apate
I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere, but I appear to have abandoned all quests. I've got a bit of digging to do to make sure that it isn't a display issue, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. My character also disappeared, but for right now I'm going to assume that's the new video card.
I wouldn't count on it. If you have any abilities that are showing up as ? or item links you can't click on, you may as well reinstall. I have no idea how to cure that bug once it's shown up, but nuking your cache and WTF/WDB folders does not fix it. They haven't consolidated the patches yet either, patching twice is awesome.

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Old 12/07/06, 1:41 PM   #255
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Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle
Originally Posted by Apate
I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere, but I appear to have abandoned all quests. I've got a bit of digging to do to make sure that it isn't a display issue, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. My character also disappeared, but for right now I'm going to assume that's the new video card.
I wouldn't count on it. If you have any abilities that are showing up as ? or item links you can't click on, you may as well reinstall. I have no idea how to cure that bug once it's shown up, but nuking your cache and WTF/WDB folders does not fix it. They haven't consolidated the patches yet either, patching twice is awesome.
Well, the repair util should be up by the week's end according to the Tech. Support forums. For me, it's just my character. No unknown entities, I only get question marks when I log in to an immediate disconnect, which is about par for patch times.

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Old 12/07/06, 1:55 PM   #256
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I was having the naked, not showing up, unable to loot certain things issue then deleted my WTF and everything was fine and dandy. Well minus having to redo all my key bindings...


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Old 12/07/06, 1:57 PM   #257
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Originally Posted by Trey
They have anywhere from 100-600 less AP (or so they claim)
Are they wearing all their gear?

600 AP is approximately half of a KT faming rogues total unbuffed AP.

If they feel like they're doing less damage, figure out what spec they are - and what key talents they're missing. Picking up any of the new 41st talents means you're almost guaranteed to be missing out on some other key stuff.

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Old 12/07/06, 2:04 PM   #258
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Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle
Originally Posted by Apate
I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere, but I appear to have abandoned all quests. I've got a bit of digging to do to make sure that it isn't a display issue, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. My character also disappeared, but for right now I'm going to assume that's the new video card.
I wouldn't count on it. If you have any abilities that are showing up as ? or item links you can't click on, you may as well reinstall. I have no idea how to cure that bug once it's shown up, but nuking your cache and WTF/WDB folders does not fix it. They haven't consolidated the patches yet either, patching twice is awesome.
Actually deleting my WTF folder is exactly what fixed it for me. Also fixes the problem if you for some reason see everyone running around naked/half naked. But you have to remember to delete the WTF folder, relog onto you char, log out and 'then' install your new mods; else for some reason you will get the error again. If you nuke the WTF folder and install new mods before logging back into your char and logging out the problem will reoccur. (Or atleast for me it did).

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Old 12/07/06, 4:48 PM   #259
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Originally Posted by Kenco
It appears to me that the threat from demoralizing shout has been reduced. I found that on the skitterer packs between Anub and Faerlina, the first few heals on the MT, who was spamming demo shout, would invariably pull about half the spiders away. Before the patch aggro would be rock solid after two demo shouts (from the healers, that is), but this time all the packs were unsatisfactory. Anyone else have this happening?
I wonder if the AoE nerf applies to demo shout? Maybe if you hit more than 10 targets it stops having any effect?

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Old 12/07/06, 4:51 PM   #260
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Originally Posted by probiscus
Originally Posted by Trey
They have anywhere from 100-600 less AP (or so they claim)
Are they wearing all their gear?

600 AP is approximately half of a KT faming rogues total unbuffed AP.

If they feel like they're doing less damage, figure out what spec they are - and what key talents they're missing. Picking up any of the new 41st talents means you're almost guaranteed to be missing out on some other key stuff.
I'll also go Shenanigans. I -gained- 65AP, before I even touched a single talent. If it's just a 'less damage in relation to 'x'' thing, well .. A lot of classes got buffs, and rogues are pretty much about where they were before. I gained a little bit more damage, but not as much as hunters or mages did, for example, if they talented right.

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Old 12/07/06, 5:21 PM   #261
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Originally Posted by Whiteknight
Originally Posted by Kenco
It appears to me that the threat from demoralizing shout has been reduced. I found that on the skitterer packs between Anub and Faerlina, the first few heals on the MT, who was spamming demo shout, would invariably pull about half the spiders away. Before the patch aggro would be rock solid after two demo shouts (from the healers, that is), but this time all the packs were unsatisfactory. Anyone else have this happening?
I wonder if the AoE nerf applies to demo shout? Maybe if you hit more than 10 targets it stops having any effect?
If live is using the PTR code, then the AoE nerf is not currently in the game. I haven't heard any remarks about Gluth or Nef phase 2, so it should be ok. Also, the AoE nerf is not a cap at 10 targets. Instead, it's a limit on the maximum damage a single non-channeled AoE spell can do. When the cap is reached, the damage is divided evenly between each target.

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Old 12/07/06, 5:50 PM   #262
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Originally Posted by Geheim
Has anyone else noticed that it is damn nigh unto impossible to get into an AV with your friends? Regardless of what AV I select I get a random AV. Is this 'as intended' or a bug?
I assume you noticed the number of AV's up and running has increased from 7 at any given time to, say, 60? WRT the "no matter which one I choose" statement, the games probably overriding that to get you into any game based on the sheer number of people trying to queue across your battlegroup.

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Old 12/07/06, 6:52 PM   #263
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Messing around on my rogue alt last night I noticed the quest log now allows you to have 25 quests instead of 20. I didn't see that documented anywhere.

Also there is a bug with the key ring where if you fill the bottom slots close it and reopen it you will have an extra row added. I got up to around 20 rows before I got bored with it.

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Old 12/07/06, 9:50 PM   #264
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Originally Posted by Kenco
It appears to me that the threat from demoralizing shout has been reduced. I found that on the skitterer packs between Anub and Faerlina, the first few heals on the MT, who was spamming demo shout, would invariably pull about half the spiders away. Before the patch aggro would be rock solid after two demo shouts (from the healers, that is), but this time all the packs were unsatisfactory. Anyone else have this happening?
As I wrote in another thread, threat from Demoralizing Shout now seems to be divided evenly between the mobs it affects, rather than being applied to each one equally.

I also have a sneaking suspicion (given the results from the EU warrior forum about Cleave) that the same is true for other AE abilities with innate threat, but have not confirmed or refuted that conjecture.

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Old 12/07/06, 9:57 PM   #265
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Ignite *is* broken. If you crit a second time before the first ignite debuff is applied (basically, 2 crits at the same time without Ignite already on the mob) you will get credit for the second crit but not the first.

http://ctscreens.net/1194

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Old 12/07/06, 10:18 PM   #266
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Originally Posted by Baradaga
Also there is a bug with the key ring where if you fill the bottom slots close it and reopen it you will have an extra row added. I got up to around 20 rows before I got bored with it.
Not really a bug, seems more like an unintended side effect of the key ring's new dynamic resizing feature.

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Old 12/07/06, 10:25 PM   #267
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Originally Posted by Roana
I also have a sneaking suspicion (given the results from the EU warrior forum about Cleave) that the same is true for other AE abilities with innate threat, but have not confirmed or refuted that conjecture.
Link please?

The biggest gripe that protection warriors have on beta is that their aoe tanking abilities are severely limited/lacking compared to druids and paladins, so I'd find it _astounding_ if they were to nerf even further our only remotely effective way of doing so by reducing the threat component of cleave.

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Old 12/07/06, 10:49 PM   #268
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
Originally Posted by Whiteknight
Originally Posted by Kenco
It appears to me that the threat from demoralizing shout has been reduced. I found that on the skitterer packs between Anub and Faerlina, the first few heals on the MT, who was spamming demo shout, would invariably pull about half the spiders away. Before the patch aggro would be rock solid after two demo shouts (from the healers, that is), but this time all the packs were unsatisfactory. Anyone else have this happening?
I wonder if the AoE nerf applies to demo shout? Maybe if you hit more than 10 targets it stops having any effect?
If live is using the PTR code, then the AoE nerf is not currently in the game. I haven't heard any remarks about Gluth or Nef phase 2, so it should be ok. Also, the AoE nerf is not a cap at 10 targets. Instead, it's a limit on the maximum damage a single non-channeled AoE spell can do. When the cap is reached, the damage is divided evenly between each target.
Is the cap by spell-line or by rank? Because, hypothetically, with enough +dmg you could downrank your AE and do the same damage in a large group AoE (10+ targets). That'd be odd.

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Old 12/07/06, 11:52 PM   #269
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Originally Posted by bacon
Ignite *is* broken. If you crit a second time before the first ignite debuff is applied (basically, 2 crits at the same time without Ignite already on the mob) you will get credit for the second crit but not the first.

http://ctscreens.net/1194
This is working as intended, as this is how Deep Wounds works.

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Old 12/07/06, 11:59 PM   #270
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Originally Posted by bacon
Ignite *is* broken. If you crit a second time before the first ignite debuff is applied (basically, 2 crits at the same time without Ignite already on the mob) you will get credit for the second crit but not the first.

http://ctscreens.net/1194
Weird. I tested this earlier today and got credit for both crits on Ignite. Maybe it's happening intermittantly or something?

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Old 12/08/06, 12:16 AM   #271
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In case anyone didn't know, Engineers can get Battle Tonks from the Darkmoon Faire. They cost 40 Tickets to get the Schematic. Don't know how much longer the Faire will be up.

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Old 12/08/06, 7:36 AM   #272
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Originally Posted by Roana
As I wrote in another thread, threat from Demoralizing Shout now seems to be divided evenly between the mobs it affects, rather than being applied to each one equally.

I also have a sneaking suspicion (given the results from the EU warrior forum about Cleave) that the same is true for other AE abilities with innate threat, but have not confirmed or refuted that conjecture.
An unforseen complication of the BS nerf perhaps? Silly if it's intended.

I noticed the pvp mounts now require 150 riding, my alts feel bummed out on that one. Mounts earned pre-patch are still req. 75.

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Old 12/08/06, 3:40 PM   #273
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My character is no longer invisible, but I've yet to meet anyone else who had their quest log completely wiped. Not that it really matters; I don't need that BP of the Chromatic Flight.


Edit: 12/8 my quests showed back up. Crazy.

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Old 12/08/06, 4:07 PM   #274
bacon
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Originally Posted by sadris
Originally Posted by bacon
Ignite *is* broken. If you crit a second time before the first ignite debuff is applied (basically, 2 crits at the same time without Ignite already on the mob) you will get credit for the second crit but not the first.

http://ctscreens.net/1194
This is working as intended, as this is how Deep Wounds works.
Or they're both broken. You're ok with losing damage in this fashion? Maybe it's harder for warriors to do this but I can tell you as a fire mage witih combustion this is very easy. We intentionally try to land multiple fire spells at the same time for burst damage.

Originally Posted by Thrillho
Weird. I tested this earlier today and got credit for both crits on Ignite. Maybe it's happening intermittantly or something?
Your crits have to be close together, within about half a second or less. Basically your second crit has to land before the ignite from your first crit is applied, and the mob has to not already have an ignite of yours running.

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Old 12/08/06, 4:17 PM   #275
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Im sure this has already been confirmed, but Judgment Helm last night off Onyxia. We all cried ourselves to sleep. (my guild is hord side).

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