AV is giving 14 per objective instead of 20.

AB gives 20 per 330 resources as opposed to 20 per 200.

Have not checked WSG yet but I would assume 40 per cap to stay in line with AB.

Curse school for preventing me from grinding properly the first week.

Getting your shiny purples just got 30 - 40% harder.


Phoolish

Edited correct total for AB.

This is a terrific topic of discussion all by its lonesome. I'm sure it wouldn't have fit in any of the other existing threads.

Like... right here, perhaps. http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewt...262212#p262212

Yep, you get 30% less honor now. Which means your grind will take 42.857% longer. However, it's tough to argue against the change, since honor gains were ludicrous last week (I earned ~35k without really trying).

Edit: Also, you got 20 honor per 200 in AB, 28 was due to the bonus honor weekend.

At first glance, its main purpose is to slow down the people that win. Kinda funny because its just going to encourage the "dont cap our point and then lets honor farm their base with 4 flags for 7 minutes" It doesn't really affect the average player because they don't have massive amounts of bonus honor.

So we're back to destroying marks again?

If 30+ hours of straight premade CP farming in a week isn't "really trying", then yeah, you really worked the system.

I think everyone can agree that this was an imminent change, but the continuous duplicity is still great. Didn't one of the CMs post last night that they were actually considering lowering item costs?

QQ

At least I only need 10k more.

Copy and paste from a reply I made on another Forum in regards to this change:

I decided to spend a hardcore day of PvPing on Saturday. I logged in at 9am, did AV til noon and took an hour and a half break. Came back at 1:30 and ran some more AV's and a bunch of WSG and AB's til around 8. Took a half hour to eat, then came back and played til 3 am. That's 16 hours of PvP.

In that 16 hours I made approx. 17.5k honor. Cut off 30% of that and it's only 12.25k. Just enough to buy the shoulders/boots/etc...

Doesn't seem that bad right?

Well of the 16 hours spent approx 11 were spent with 4 other friends all very good players in decent gear rolling through AB's and WSG's. We would queue up, have one person go in to check if it was a premade we were up against, if it was we'd queue them for the other BG. Keep doing that til you get a PuG, go in and roll them. We 5 capped AB's with only the 5 of us and 10 randoms 4 or 5 times and we had quite a few 7-8 minute WSG's. I got enough marks to buy 2 mounts and still have enough AB tokens to get my helm the next day. In other words I spent the entire 16 hours winning BG's, and usually in pretty quick fashion.

Now take a person who can't get into a good group (Most people who play this game actually). Double the time it takes them to win games and double their losses. A normal person in 16 hours of pvp would probably be lucky to pull down 13k. That means with the new system they'll be getting 9.1k.

So what is 16 hours to a raider? Aside from the learning phase of a new dungeon, any raider not in a very subpar guild is going to get at least one piece of new loot for every 16 hours they spend raiding.

In fact, in the world of 4 hour entire instance clears (That's actually slow for a lot of raiding guilds) that means 4 entire clears of an instance. In 4 entire clears you're going to get more than one upgrade.

So basically because there is no learning curve in PvP, 95% of the population who play this game have to spend ridiculous amounts of time to get gear that's a tier behind the best available raiding gear?

A vast majority of the people who play this game only have MAYBE 16 hours a WEEK to sink into this game. That means they aren't even getting one piece of gear in a week's time. In fact, 9k a week won't even get you the head, legs or chest in 2 weeks time.

A 30% reduction in honor gain is pretty massive in the long run. It turns a winning WSG into 140 from 200. AV into 255 from 363. (Not sure about AB because it was AB weekend and we wont be getting the 287-315 every weekend).

Because of the new talents and the new honor system a ton of people came back and spent a ton more time than usual playing. They let the influx of playtime from patch excitement which severely skewed numbers this week influence their decision to nerf honor gains.

They should have waited at least one more week before analyzing the situation.

All I can say to myself is "Thank God it wasn't an AV weekend". Who knows how much they would have nerfed the honor gains if it had been.

As a few people have stated already, this only really affects people who can't sink the major playtime in each day. And those were really the only people this change was meant to benefit.

At 12k honor a week it will take someone who plays 20 hours a week (enough to be considered a part time job in every U.S. state) it would take 13 weeks to get the 6 pieces of pvp armor and one 2 hander. That's too long in my opinion.

I don't really know how long it took you raiders to get 6 pieces of BWL gear and a new 2 hander but did it take 3 months and one week? (I'm assuming most of you guys don't raid more than 20 hours a week right?)

Before this topic gets heaped, I have a question about honor. Does the 3 BG token turnin quest "For Great Honor" still exist? How much honor is it worth now?

I ask because I seem to be far more honor limited than token limited (except WSG, the all-premade BG!)

Sigh, I was only 8k away from getting my second high warlord cleaver. At least I already got the helmet, that thing is the second most expensive item i think.

Don't think it exists anymore, no.

We all knew (hopefully) this change was coming in one way or another, I had people in my guild get over 25k in one DAY this weekend (granted he stayed up for the whole day from reset to reset but still) he was able to get the 3 Field Marshal pieces and then some.

Doesn't make that big of a change for those of us rolling pugs/premades all day though : / just more of a nerf for the poor solo/puggies working for honor.

Good thing I'm only ~2k away from my GM Staff

ps They really should've changed the names or just taken the 'Grand Marshal/High Warlord' off of them.

I know this is more appropriate in the other Forum, but this is more of a targeted comment towards this change.

Marks are only used to purchase items or mounts. Nothing else.

Well, that kinda sucks for me, since I am about ~17k away from my polearm (Raiding + Work = No PvP Time) but still, this system is WAY better then the old one. Yea, QQ honor is not as easy, but getting your full rank 12/13 set and being pretty close to getting a weapon in 1 week KINDA is not fair to everyone who got GM.

You're joking, right?

Hah, got to spend the night farming honor until the change hits EU servers. :P

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