New Beta Patch Notes 2.0.3

Yuckie · 12/13/06, 12:34 AM

http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2268

Note : The Transcendence change, haven't heard the actual value of the "flat mp5" not like it really even matters. Time to pickup the rest of Faith I suppose. Alot of scaling changes though, guess this is the final solution.

Daksafiya · 12/13/06, 12:35 AM

This information was also found in this thread, starting from this post.

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewt...262565#p262565

warrinn · 12/13/06, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Yuckie

http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2268

Note : The Transcendence change, haven't heard the actual value of the "flat mp5" not like it really even matters. Time to pickup the rest of Faith I suppose. Alot of scaling changes though, guess this is the final solution.

Could someone cut and paste this to a post...at work and cant access WOR.

Yuckie · 12/13/06, 12:37 AM

'Spose this can be heaped then. However I certainly wouldn't have found it buried at the bottom of a 115 page post. I searched before posting, didn't yield any results.

Yuckie · 12/13/06, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by warrinn

Originally Posted by Yuckie

http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2268

Note : The Transcendence change, haven't heard the actual value of the "flat mp5" not like it really even matters. Time to pickup the rest of Faith I suppose. Alot of scaling changes though, guess this is the final solution.

Could someone cut and paste this to a post...at work and cant access WOR.

World of Warcraft Client Beta Patch 2.0.3

Hourly updated with new changes.

General

- Flying mount bug in metazones seems to have been fixed.
- New NPCs at Blade's Edge Mountains. New Flight Paths added as well.
- New NPCs at Cosmowrench (Netherstorm).
- Exp needed to level lessened... ex. 64-65 was 780k, is now 680k.
- Tiers5 armor sets vendor added, opposite t4 vendor.
- Flying over the opposite faction's city in Hellfire applies a debuff called Guard's Mark. It summons a flying guard who casts Unstable Concoction.
- Female Bloodelves weapons size decreased.
- Heroic keys taken up from Neutral to Revered requirement.
- Quests that were marked (Elite) are now marked (Group). Some of them have group size recommendations.
- Scryer Tabard added at Exalted to the Vendor in shattrath (Aldor aswell), the Scryer tabard is that stylized phoenix they have all over.
- World map icon changed.
- Some quests were finished or had rewards added such as the Arcatraz key quest. No NPC's in Blades Edge to check if there are new quests in Shadowmoon.
- New Raid zones added to LFG(Grull's, Tempest Keep, Coilfang, Mag's lair, Hyjal).
- Throne of Kil'Jaeden is populated with mobs.
- skettis area increased to level 70-72
- serveral horde towns got air defense now.
- New rep items added to Cenarion Expedition vendor.

Quests

- A lot of new quests at Blade's Edge Mountains (at Evergrove for example)
- New quest at Cosmowrench: "Bloody Imp-ossible!"
- New quest at Shadowmoon Village: "Find the Deserter"
- New(?) quest at Area 52: "Breaking down Netherock"
- Fixed quest at Proectorate Watch Point: "Dimensius the All-Devouring"
- Fixed quest at Shattrah: "City of Light". Leads to several follow-up quests for heroic mode dungeons.

Items

- Tempest Keep items raised to level 70 required. Old lv68-required items slightly buffed.
- Idol of Ferocity changed from -3 energy to +20dmg.
- Idol of Brutality changed from -3 rage to +50 Damage.
- Lifegiving gem changes (see pic).
- fetish of the sandreaver nerfed from 70% to 50%.
- eye of diminuition nerfed from 35% to 25%.
- New Burrower's Shell: Reduces damage from each attack by 68, absorbs up to 1150 damage, lasts 20 seconds
- riding crop no longer has the activated sprint.
- Lightning Capacitor (Karazhan trinket drop) does 900-1025 dmg after 3x applications now (instead of 375-425 with 5x).
- Libram of souls redeemed from big bad wolf was changed from Equip: Increases healing done by Flash of Light by up to 96(I think), to Increases the benefit of your Flash of Light and Holy Light spells recieve from blessing of light by 96.
- The Black book (bwl trinket) changed: Use: Empowers your pet, increasing its spell damage by 200, its attack power by 325, and its armor by 1600 for 30 sec. This spell will only affect an Imp, Succubus, Voidwalker, Felhunter, or Felguard. (Cooldown: 5 minutes)
- Venomous Totem changed to: Use: Increases the damage dealt by instant Poison by 65 and the periodic damage dealt by Deadly Poison for 22 for 20 sec.
- The shaman's Natural Alignment Crystal was nerfed to: Use: Increases spell damage and healing by up to 250, and increases mana cost of spells by 20% for 20sec.
- Renataki Charm of Trickery changed (scales with lvl now, 40 energy at lvl 70): see pic.

Professions

- Tailoring specialist vendors are in Trade area of Lower City.
- Alchemy specializations are in, at least Master of Elixirs. Quest obtained from the grand master alchemist in lower city, Shattrath.
- Elixir of Major Agility is now: Use: Increases your Agility by 35 and your critical strike rating by 20 for 1 hour.

UI

- When you have actionbar lock enabled in the UI (Buttons only move around when you hold shift, too.) it appears that you can no longer move a button by shift+clicking; you must shift+drag it.
- Raids now have tabs to the side that show how many of each class there is.

Druid

- Dire Bear form AP bonus is now +210. HP Bonus is now 25% (down from 40%)
- Tranquility now heals roughly 5x as much (almost 1600 every 2 sec for 8 seconds), but with 10 minute cooldown.
- Idol of Ferocity changed from -3 energy to +20dmg.
- Stormrage Armor Set 3 part bonus is now 20mp5 instead of 15% mana regen.

Hunter

- The Lvl70 Aimed Shot doesn't scale anymore with AP. Now it's a flat +870 damage.

Mage

- Mages get a new rank of Arcane Missiles(10) at level 69

Paladin

- Divine illumination lasts 15 seconds now.
- Libram of souls redeemed from big bad wolf was changed from Equip: Increases healing done by Flash of Light by up to 96(I think), to Increases the benefit of your Flash of Light and Holy Light spells recieve from blessing of light by 96.

Priest

- Transcendance Armor set 3pc was nerfed from 15% regen while casting to a hard Mp5.

Rogue

- Rogue talent Weapon Expertise changed to 2/2 increasing weapon skill of daggers/swords/fist weapons by 10.
- Suprise attacks dmg increased from 8% to 10%.
- Renataki Charm of Trickery changed (scales with lvl now, 40 energy at lvl 70): see pic.
- Venomous Totem changed to: Use: Increases the damage dealt by instant Poison by 65 and the periodic damage dealt by Deadly Poison for 22 for 20 sec.
- Rogue T4 set bonuses changed, are now:
(2) Set: increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 1 sec per combo point.
(4) Set: Your finishing moves have a 15% chance to grant you a combo point.

Shaman

- New Shaman spell: Totem Call.
- The shaman's Natural Alignment Crystal was nerfed to: Use: Increases spell damage and healing by up to 250, and increases mana cost of spells by 20% for 20sec.

Warlock

- The Black book (bwl trinket) changed: Use: Empowers your pet, increasing its spell damage by 200, its attack power by 325, and its armor by 1600 for 30 sec. This spell will only affect an Imp, Succubus, Voidwalker, Felhunter, or Felguard. (Cooldown: 5 minutes)

Warrior

- Lifegiving gem changes (see pic).

Onikun · 12/13/06, 12:49 AM

The Trans change is 20 MP/5.

• squiffy · 12/13/06, 12:52 AM

http://thottbot.com/beta?i=418 nerfed to 22 hit, 140 AP for 15 secs, and is now a green.

Was 27 hit, 175 AP, and a blue.

LadyVex · 12/13/06, 12:55 AM

Not that it much matters with the literally heaps of trinkets with passive hit/crit and on use AP.

But man, venomous totem change I am not liking either. With mutilate and for pvp I would equip the totem as it was with increased change to proc, but the new one, no chance in H E Double Hockey Sticks.

• Snowy · 12/13/06, 1:23 AM

To be fair, that's not exactly a thread I might have picked this out of. Having said that, changes to Trans and Stormrage were long overdue, as well as Lifegiving Gem. Otherwise you'd still be going back to BWL at level 70 for it, unless they made a better one. Looks like Blizzard is going down the list and correcting anything that might scale into TBC as a better alternative to level 70 gear.

Saeros · 12/13/06, 4:33 AM

Originally Posted by Snowy

To be fair, that's not exactly a thread I might have picked this out of. Having said that, changes to Trans and Stormrage were long overdue, as well as Lifegiving Gem. Otherwise you'd still be going back to BWL at level 70 for it, unless they made a better one. Looks like Blizzard is going down the list and correcting anything that might scale into TBC as a better alternative to level 70 gear.

I agree with you, but there has been to many changes/nerfs for healers in a very short time now:

3-set trans/stormrage change, equals 10 to 25 less mana/5 for EVERY priest/druid in high-end raids
The downranking nerf
No decursive
Reduced damagereduction for tanks

I think the changes was needed, running around with 3 tier2 at level 70 and downranking so you can heal forever can't be intended and surely isn't right. But they should give us something in return, maybe change meditation (and the druid talent) to a 5-point talent, and let 5/5 equal 25% regen while casting.

Gozul · 12/13/06, 4:40 AM

Fetish of the sand reaver still remains as the best "old content" trinket to get at level 70.

Zed · 12/13/06, 5:28 AM

What about Mind Quickening Gem, Scarab Brooch, Fetish of the Sand Reaver etc.? The "job" is not nearly half done.

Also I feel the 1600 armor on Black Book is too low even for lvl 60 where it's effect is "intended".

songster · 12/13/06, 5:30 AM

MQG was fixed ages back - now adds haste rating instead of a flat increase. Rating scales down with your level, just like all the other ratings.

Mearis · 12/13/06, 5:33 AM

Good change with the trans nerf. The rest seems good stuff as well, I wonder what they will do to other abilities/items that have potentially broken scaling mechanics.

Teewee · 12/13/06, 5:39 AM

Wow awesome, they finally listened to our totem destroying problem:
http://thottbot.com/beta?sp=36936

And we can 25% of our spent mana back.

Zed · 12/13/06, 5:43 AM

Originally Posted by songster

MQG was fixed ages back - now adds haste rating instead of a flat increase. Rating scales down with your level, just like all the other ratings.

Sorry, didn't know haste rating scales. Perhaps because when that was changed leveling was not on the table yet :)

Mekasha · 12/13/06, 9:29 AM

Just messing around and sucking at math, I think MQG is something like 17-18% faster cast at 70 from when I was playing around with it.

LadyVex · 12/13/06, 9:54 AM

Originally Posted by Zed

What about Mind Quickening Gem, Scarab Brooch, Fetish of the Sand Reaver etc.? The "job" is not nearly half done.

Also I feel the 1600 armor on Black Book is too low even for lvl 60 where it's effect is "intended".

Believe all of those trinkets listed were fixed as well. (At least MQG and Fetish)

As far as the trans change, I feel it is reprehensible to change the set bonuses of an old set because they are too good instead of designing new sets with bonuses that don't make you think twice about dropping the old ones. And sorry, while it might have been a needed change, it's not a "good" change at all.

With that said the only bonus that makes me sad to break up is 5 piece trans. Geez, reactive fade was heavenly.

Nothing in the patch notes about fixing the crit bug with hunters, has anyone checked this out recently?

♦ Maniq · 12/13/06, 10:00 AM

While it's a shame that they nerfed The Burrower's Shell, I can well see the reasoning behind the change. Although, being that it is still quite rare, it could have been left alone.

Can anyone confirm that they same mechanic changes have been made to the AB necks?

Lactose · 12/13/06, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by LadyVex

Nothing in the patch notes about fixing the crit bug with hunters, has anyone checked this out recently?

Level 62 Hunter, 125 Agility, 1.89% crit.
Still not fixed.

Tyvi · 12/13/06, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Nezralix

Apologies to my tauren brethren, but Blizzard should nerf the 5% HP racial while they're at it, to at least make it not scale with gear.

OMG, mind thief! I was thinking about that right now, too!

Blizzard seems to be slapping the nerf bat on everything that seems to scale past it's intended level, and the new Stamina item budget value seems to indicate that the Tauren Racial could be one part of that. Either they will half it to +2.5% HP to offset the bigger Stamina values or just add a static +HP per level. That is what I would think anyway if Blizzard follows through with logic.

Is there actually any other Racial in game that scales as much as this?

♦ Praetorian · 12/13/06, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by LadyVex

As far as the trans change, I feel it is reprehensible to change the set bonuses of an old set because they are too good instead of designing new sets with bonuses that don't make you think twice about dropping the old ones. And sorry, while it might have been a needed change, it's not a "good" change at all.

Absolutely not. Bonuses that scale can only be replaced by other bonuses that scale, and that's broken. It's a 3pc bonus on a BWL/Onyxia/Rag set that people have had since July 2005. The fact that priests and druids were passing on Faith and Dreamwalker lest they have to give up their precious bonus was stupid, and this should have been fixed long ago, before TBC.

Forgive me if I missed it, but did they change the Viscidus druid idol?

Cryect · 12/13/06, 11:12 AM

I'm wondering have they stealth nerfed Thunderfury as well. Could just vary the proc rate though what they really should do is change it to similar to the haste rating so by lvl 70 its worth less than thunderclap.

• Snowy · 12/13/06, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by LadyVex

As far as the trans change, I feel it is reprehensible to change the set bonuses of an old set because they are too good instead of designing new sets with bonuses that don't make you think twice about dropping the old ones. And sorry, while it might have been a needed change, it's not a "good" change at all.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I felt locked into wearing 3 pc Trans for a long time to come, simply because of the scaling factor. Way back when Faith was introduced, I lamented the fact that even if the 8 pc proc was a passive effect, it probably still wasn't worth breaking 3 pc Trans for. That's overpowered.

When Blizzard designed these sets way back then, they certainly didn't consider the effects of how scaling would continue to be good well into the future. Even game designers don't have a crystal ball. You can balance things now, but it's very hard to say how the game will turn out 1 or 2 years down the road. Scaling items was certainly one of them. That's the domain of talents now.

LadyVex · 12/13/06, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

Originally Posted by LadyVex

As far as the trans change, I feel it is reprehensible to change the set bonuses of an old set because they are too good instead of designing new sets with bonuses that don't make you think twice about dropping the old ones. And sorry, while it might have been a needed change, it's not a "good" change at all.

Absolutely not. Bonuses that scale can only be replaced by other bonuses that scale, and that's broken. It's a 3pc bonus on a BWL/Onyxia/Rag set that people have had since July 2005. The fact that priests and druids were passing on Faith and Dreamwalker lest they have to give up their precious bonus was stupid, and this should have been fixed long ago, before TBC.

Forgive me if I missed it, but did they change the Viscidus druid idol?

TBH though I wouldn't at all mind the 3 piece being replicated on set bonuses from here till 2010 if that's how the game goes.

Is/was the bonus overpowered on the gear it was on? No, just that set bonuses past it/stats weren't good enough to warrant splitting it up. (I see it occassionally but yea.)

I'd have prefered a cap like other MMOs have had. (IE bonuses only working on certain spells, certain levels etc.)

Cap the trans bonus to scale down as you can levels etc, but it's just gonna suck taking that nerf till you swap out of it. It's not 20 mp/5 now. A better way to counter it would have been to approximate the amount of spirit or such that the priests/druids would have at the gear level instead of slapping a random flat number on it.

And I'm not fond of the idea that it's only acceptable to swap to other gear now that the 3 piece isn't good anymore. Is that the only way around it? Nerf it to inefficiency so people will equip gear that isn't as good?

I realize what I believe is contrary to MMO functions but I'd like to see something not tweaked just because they didn't think before hand of what would happen past the level.

As for the druid idol, Thottbot doesn't show a change and there was nothing in the patch notes, so it still appears to be .15 off of healing touch.

Edit:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I felt locked into wearing 3 pc Trans for a long time to come, simply because of the scaling factor. Way back when Faith was introduced, I lamented the fact that even if the 8 pc proc was a passive effect, it probably still wasn't worth breaking 3 pc Trans for. That's overpowered.

See, and I thought opposite. Not, wow trans is overpowered, but wow, what kind of crap set bonus is this that another set bonus outlasts it? Trans scales but I'm sure Faith 8 piece coulda been tweaked to have been more valuable in other ways than it. Mana regen isn't everything. (It's alot but not everything.)

And to the poster below me, my twink wears that dang trinket, they better not touch it!