This thread was posted in the WoW general forums and has gotten alot of attention: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...55830295&sid=1

I havn't been able to get any real sense of if this is true so I'm wondering if anyone has any actual math that backs this up or the opposite? I don't have an opportunity to test this today since I already pvp'd in the early morning and have no idea what my honor should be.

Doesn't reflect my own experience from HonorFu collecting all the honor bonuses. If anything, I actually end up getting more than it estimated by a few hundred points here and there -- probably rounding, as I tend to spend only one or two nights a week doing PvP for a bit. I missed out on the free R14 sword ;)

Based on my eyeballing the poster in that thread is correct. Titan honor plus was calculating my honor per minute at around 22 pre-nerf. Last two nights I have averaged around 9-10 with no change in win/loss ratio.

Castille, you are looking at the honor calculations from your character screen, which only calculates honor on your hk's alone, it will always be off by a good 40-60% from what you are actually earning. Honor+ in titan calculates all of the honor you are getting from wins, objectives, hk's, etc.

This whole ordeal is truly painful for the pug groups out there. We spend our time now between having the guild distintegrate between now and TBC and pvping with what's left. We end up rolling AB pugs all night as the other groups tend to scout us and then AFK out (they'd probably beat us soundly if they actually tried). The poor Horde get no Honor as we just AE them down at their gate. AV is the only way to get honor reliably as a pug'er or if you don't have a group at the time. The post calculation honor nerf seems to be in place as well as I've noticed a sharp decline in my honor. Used to be 12k a day the first week, second week was 6k for the first day, then 4.5k for the next day even though I pvp'd more.

I saw a post by Tseric that said potentially the honor nerf was applying twice.

That said, without a group, AV is the place to go.

got link to that post?

I'll post a link when I get home since I'm using a proxy program to get around the Websense program I have at work (they don't like us to look at WoW stuff) but here is what Tseric said

-Edit: here is the link

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=2

Unfortunately, I didn't install an honor counting mod until the middle of the day yesterday, so I can't say whether it bore his theory out. However, in general, I did notice a somewhat unexpectedly drastic reduction.

About how much honor per hour do you get in av? I've heard others say av is the best way to grind honor, Ihave really never liked av since it was so painful to get exalted on 2 characters, so I have been sticking to wsg and ab. Ab i typically get about 500 honor an hour, wsg tend to be a bit more, but it may just be because i havnt run into a string of premade groups. This is 100% pugging it on my rogue. How would you say that compares to the honor gained from AV. Also all those numbers are since the honor nerf last tuesday and its based off the numbers im getting from honorFU which seem to be pretty acurate.

Honor/hour is heavily influenced by your queue speed, to a point where if this gear actually mattered for more than 4 weeks, something would have to be done to correct the faction/server imbalance of reward/time.

Thus, honor gain per hour can't be compared across servers/faction.

The lvl 60 pvp gear might not matter for more than 4 weeks, but don't forget this is the exact same system that will be used for the lvl 70 versions of this gear. Granted the lvl 70 pvp armor / weapons are blue and i believe easily outpaced by the arena and raid gear.

I guess thats a good point, well on the 2 horde characters ive pvped on on 2 different servers both have a queue time of less then 1 min, so basically its non stop honor grind per honor. Would that change the value of doing AV for honor?

Considering most AV games nowadays are 15-30 minutes, instant AV queues would net 2.5-5 times as much honor as 1 hour AV queues, slightly less if you do WSG/AB in between.

Which would you say, of the 3 bgs would be the most honor per hour with instant queues.

Solo, AV without question.

In a good group, AB probably. In WSG you run into the occasional turtle game that costs you a ton of honor. During the weekend, whichever BG has the bonus honor.

There's also a sweet spot at around ~8-10 minute queues where a strong 10-man group alternating WSG and AB could make honor similar to ~2-3 minute queues.

Oh, and with instant queues, WSG is less "bad" than it is with longer queues. If you queue up for both WSG and AB with your 10-man, you can enter WSG and check for organized competition. If you meet another premade, you can jump to AB, avoiding the long turtle match.

The funny thing about this is that when Cross-Server bgs are working on Tichondrius it means Horde have instant queues, Alliance don't. But if Cross-Server goes down like it did a bit last week the exact opposite is true.

Perhaps it could be inferred that Tichondrius's population imbalance favors the Horde population these days.

My average honor/day has dropped from 12 - 13k to 4 - 5k, though I must admit I've stepped down the PvP a bit after getting my staff (best priest solo farming weapon in zeh game, wooooh).

On the other hand, my estimated honor is now ~99% correct, while the last week it showed wildly inaccurate noumbers every time (would sometimes say 1200 honor, others 14k, others 7k, etc, even though it was always ~13-14k).

Curious....

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...56755676&sid=1

We’ll be performing rolling restarts for all realms to apply multiple hot fixes. The following Oceanic realms will be restarted immediately as this is their off-peak. We anticipate each realm to be affected for approximately 15 minutes.

Aman'Thul
Barthilas
Dath'Remar
Frostmourne
Jubei'Thos
Khaz'goroth
Thaurissan

All other realms will undergo rolling restarts on December 15 beginning at 5:00 AM PST.

Drysc

Have any other servers had an issue this evening with disconnects? Alliance on my Battlegroup are having a horrible time staying connected. I've literally been kicked offline about every minute for the past two hours. As if Alliance Pugs didn't have a hard enough time as it was.

I am on Thaurissan and have been getting randomly booted from BGs ever since the "hot fixes" were applied about half an hour ago. As a special bonus, you receive the deserter debuff as well.

I have also seen <10 people listed for WSG raids and <15 for AB. I don't think there are actually extra players in the instance, but the tracking seems to be borked in that it's not removing players who've left the BG from the raid or updating the scoreboard to reflect leave/join activity.

Horde too. It's not pleasant in BGs right now.

This is one way to retard honor accrual, I guess...