Reflectors got nerfed, they have a chance to "fizzle" now on any target over 60. And the net-o-matic also scales with level as well as the grenades, so cheers to making 1g bombs unless you farm the mats yourself.

Blacksmithing/enchanting their are possibly better choices but I have allready put a lot of work into those two professions. I also intend to level a 2nd character to 70 and get it revered with two reputations as having a Herb/alchemist capable of supplying most herbs/potion/transmutations while it isnt 100% needed is more than just a convenience.

Mining Herbal.

Both you can bet money on being necessary for both crafters and potion producers, so easy money.

Didn't know that about Reflectors, good to see (for Arenas).

Haven't heard anything about net-o-matic scaling and I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'scales with level' -- is it being cast as if it's a low level casting it? (i.e. higher chance of backfire?). I never used grenades, so I don't understand the reference (and grenades aren't usable in Arenas).

But that seems to eliminate Engineering, thus leaving with me a "pick 2" out of Enchanting, Jewelcrafting and Hammersmith. At this point I'll just wait and see to see what happens with the epic hammer patterns (will they or won't they get upgraded as better gear comes out?).

Shaman will stay skinning/LW (looks to be good LW stuff in expansion, particularly drums, and skinning is the profession most people have dropped...).

Paladin will go mining/JC, someone's got to re-roll pally and someone's got to be a guild JC and why not kill two birds with one stone?

Re: Net-o-Matic scaling (slight derail).

I have a level 51 mage that I play occasionally just to mess around. It's fun trying to duel 60s and frost spec actually lets you beat 60 warriors most of the time since the elemental gives another ranged nova + dmg. Since the patch my netgun has misfired 15 times in a row and worked correctly ZERO. Almost all the targets were level 60. Yes, it's anecdotal evidence but I swear it's scaling now and I don't like it.

As for my professions for my main... I'll be sticking with herb/alchemy.

Is http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=13060 still as listed on Thottbot? I suspect that will determine my final decision.

There is one reason to keep engineering: transport. Having a second hearthstone to Gadgetzen has saved me hours of travel time. The ones for Outlands look just as good even though you can now summon people with the meeting stones.

I'm considering leveling a pally for arena pvp... and was seriously considering blacksmithing simply for Glimering Mithril Insignia. Does anyone have any comments on its usefulness?

Could you elaborate on reflectors "chance to fizzle"?

Paladins dont really need Glimmering, given the bubble, but you may want Blacksmithing for BOP armor or weapons anyways, so it should still be a good investment.

Yeah, if you can fit it in, glimmering mithril insignia is great to have in the arena. You want to keep your bubble for things other than breaking out of a fear. Suppose it depends on your arena team as well.

as much as i love goblin engineering, im having a very hard time justifying keeping it. sure theres the mailbox and the repair bot, but what else? lets see, theres grenades and bombs, which require new ones every few levels (not so bad, even though im not a miner) and aren't usable in the arena (huge nerf). then there's the reflectors, and other trinkets like the netomatic, the shrink ray, the mortar, but they don't work against higher level targets.

what does that leave? the new stuff of course! in essence each engineering line gets one trinket with 45stamina and a use effect.

gnomish: poultryiser is kinda like a silence as i understand it, similar to being in a hallow's eve bat costume. quote effective against casters.

goblin: rocket launcher. although it has a massive 50 yard range, it also has huge 5 second cast time, and when it stuns the enemy for 3 seconds, it knocks you down for 2.

im really not sure what (pvp wise) makes engineering worth keeping for me.

PS my other prof is tailoring, and while the gear looks crap, we can hope they update that with time. the nets definetly look interesting... should be helpful against felguards since i cant FN them :D

Jewelcrafting and mining. I'm dropping engineering for jewelcrafting, it's just not useful with bombs being banned from arenas.

What many people are forgetting about professions is that while you can always have alchemy, enchanting or whatever you want on an alt, its usually the mains who get the good patterns, and its there where you earn your money.

tailoring since i have most of the patterns and gonna drop eng for mining.

I went Tailoring+Skinning when I saw Robe of the Void (which was the shit back in the day, and still is, really), changed to Engineering+Mining for Twin Emps for 40 SR, changed to Eng+Herb for Naxx. Changing to Herb+Tailor again for http://thottbot.com/beta?set=553, as it's so damn good, and I don't think I'll ever dump herbalism again.

I'm going to stay Herbalism/Alchemy on my main (go go cow flower picking bonus). I've had those since day one and as a druid I like the look of the BoP trinket though I of course hope we get a couple more goodies.

My mage alt will stay Tailoring/Alchemy mainly for transmuting stuff and my warrior twink will be Mining/Skinning. I considered starting up Blacksmithing on him but decided against it. By the time I can run instances with him there's likely alternatives available to the low tier crafted weapons.

first, why are so many people picking jewelcrafting? is there some specific recipe you have seen? all the crafted items I have seen so far are of dubious quality, and its not clear whether the gems you can craft are BoE or BoP. The ones from the temp vendor in HH are BoE, and I assume jewelcrafters will be cranking those out?

Second, is herbalism a good thing on your main? First, in the 70 climb, you'll be spending time picking herbs. Granted, it'll be a small amount of time, but I'd rather be leveling than dinking around with professions. There are no recipes or such to learn for herbalism, so wouldn't it be better done on an alt? The rep grinding requirements are pretty huge in the expansion, so I would rather pick up two profs that can maximize the rep on one character, rather than rep up multiple characters.

After seeing the Shadoweave stats and the BoP 20-slot bag, I decided it was time to drop Engineering (I had all but one schematic available in the game) and switch to tailoring. To boost cloth production, I switched my two 60 alts to tailoring as well.

Completely worthless aside: As if to spite me, my Warlock alt has an imp named Biznik. Biznik's Accurascope was the one schematic I needed to have the complete set of engineering schematics. Blizzard is taunting me. :(

Keeping Tailoring/Enchanting on my main and keeping alchemy/herbalism on my alt.

Probably because they want to try something different after two years play and trying out all of the existing professions. That's the reason I'm taking it, not because I think I'm going to get some sort of minimaxing benefit out of it.

20 slot bag isn't BoP. http://thottbot.com/beta?i=16840

Also, one thing i just realised - there is no spellhit gems. That means that with tailorings epics 3 of your item slots won't have spellhit, this is very significant loss. Tailoring seems very unattractive on main now.

Isn't "Spell Penetration" the equivalent of the old "+hit with spells" ?

Radiant Talasite : +4 spell crit rating / +5 spell penetration
Stormy Star of Elune : +10 spell penetration

Both blue quality JC crafts.