TBC Tanking Movies - Druid Tanking by Athinira

Athinira · 01/01/07, 11:37 AM

They have been up for some time now on the EU Druid forums, but i figured i might as well post them here.

I play a level 70 druid on the US Beta (my chars are on EU servers though), and have therefore decided to FRAPS some tanking of different instances in TBC as a druid. I have loads of FRAPS material, but only 5 instances are edited so far.

The first 3 movies listed were frapsed tanking instances below my own level (level 60-65 instances tanked as level 67-68). Rest is tanked at level 70. I used various specs to do this, including specs without Feral Instinct, all was done with more than 41 points in feral though.

Hellfire Citadel - Hellfire Ramparts (level 60-62):
http://files.filefront.com/2___Hellf.../fileinfo.html
Lowest level TBC instance there is.

Coilfang Reservoir - Slave Pens (level 61-63):
http://files.filefront.com/3___Slave.../fileinfo.html
Lowest level instance in Coilfang Reservoir.

Coilfang Reservoir - The Underbog (Level 62-64):
http://files.filefront.com/4___The_U.../fileinfo.html
http://files.filefront.com/4___The_U.../fileinfo.html
This instance is split up in 2 x Rar Files (goto Rarsoft and grab WinRar if you don't have it), so you have to download two files. Its a mid level instance in Coilfang Reservoir.

Hellfire Citadel - Shattered Halls (level 70-72):
http://files.filefront.com/Shattered.../fileinfo.html
I lost some Fraps material for this once, so its VERY short, showing 2 pulls and one boss. Shattered Halls consists of large multi mob pulls, and i originally put this movie together to show some of the multi mob pulls you will be dealing with as a tank.

Coilfang Reservoir - The Steamvaults (level 70-72):
http://files.filefront.com/Steam_Vau.../fileinfo.html
Here is finally some level 70+ content thats longer than 4 minutes. This vid also has a smaller resolution (640 x 512) so its smaller in size.

Codec used is XviD. If you can't view the movie, i recommend downloading the DefilerPak codec pack here, which is a complete small size codec pack without any spy or adware:
http://hellninjacommando.com/defilerpak/

Any questions can be directed in this thread or on the Official EU Druid Boards in this thread, but if you are on US servers or Korea or whatever strange place i recommend usign this thread.

I used FRAPS 2.6.4, and editing was done in Adobe Premiere primarily (primarily = 99% of everything), Final Encoding was done with VirtualDub. Screen resolution is up to 1152 x 864 (depending on movie) so its High Qual vid im bringing you, expect filesize to be more or less consistent with quality (tried getting a low filesize though). And no, Google video WON'T Happen unless some of you guys wants to upload it.

Regards, and enjoy.

Mosh · 01/01/07, 2:18 PM

Couple of hints so your post doesn't get nuked: You don't need to sign posts, neither in topic nor body, as your name is shown very clearly next to your post. I'd also suggest getting up a couple more same-level movies. A lot of people (me included) would like to see how well Feral Druids tank in BC, but it's not really a good example, or even worth it's own thread, if, outside of 2 pulls and a bossfight, all you have is you tanking lower level mobs.

Lord BEEF · 01/01/07, 2:24 PM

This isn't a bad thread, gives people examples of what to expect, though more high level stuff would be good.

Personally I'd like to see a paladin tank video to better understand how it works and what it looks like

Evert · 01/01/07, 2:29 PM

Arg.. I'm trying to not watch and BC movies so as not to spoil the experiance... But I so want to see these.

Copernicus · 01/01/07, 2:40 PM

Originally Posted by Lord BEEF

This isn't a bad thread, gives people examples of what to expect, though more high level stuff would be good.

Personally I'd like to see a paladin tank video to better understand how it works and what it looks like

Here's a thread from a Paladin MTing in Kharazahn, including videos. http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2639

Originally Posted by Video Direct Link

http://files.filefront.com/Karaavi/;6415922;;/fileinfo.html

Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...70130612&hl=en
(streaming video of lower quality, for those of you with trouble downloading)

Athinira · 01/01/07, 2:46 PM

Couple of hints so your post doesn't get nuked: You don't need to sign posts, neither in topic nor body, as your name is shown very clearly next to your post.

I see nothing wrong with signing posts, and i often do it when making longer posts where i present something. It doesn't destroy the post or anything, and if people start to nuke it for that sole reason then i could care less, because people who QQ over something that little aren't even worth any attention.

Signing posts also shows some of your other characters, in this case i signed with my 2 active chars.

I'd also suggest getting up a couple more same-level movies. A lot of people (me included) would like to see how well Feral Druids tank in BC, but it's not really a good example, or even worth it's own thread, if, outside of 2 pulls and a bossfight, all you have is you tanking lower level mobs.

Steam Vaults is currently uploading, and im editing Shadow Labyrinth as we speak. When done, they will be posted there as well in on first post. This is just a taste of how some instances look and how some of the pulls consist, and the 2 pulls in shattered halls actually say alot about the instance since its mostly conpromised that way. Being 2 levels over Underbog wasn't really affecting anything either, so that one is worth a watch as well if you want some serious info.

I understand your post, but more high level content is coming. This is the initial snacks :)

Kody · 01/01/07, 2:49 PM

Originally Posted by Copernicus

Originally Posted by Lord BEEF

This isn't a bad thread, gives people examples of what to expect, though more high level stuff would be good.

Personally I'd like to see a paladin tank video to better understand how it works and what it looks like

Here's a thread from a Paladin MTing in Kharazahn, including videos. http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2639

Originally Posted by Video Direct Link

http://files.filefront.com/Karaavi/;6415922;;/fileinfo.html

Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...70130612&hl=en
(streaming video of lower quality, for those of you with trouble downloading)

I don't know if I'd call that a paladin tanking video; more of a draenei elemental shaman video. :P But yeah, paladins are very strong tanks now. I've tanked a few level 70 instances on my paladin thus far and my gear isn't nearly as good as his(partly because the stupid jerk mobs aren't dropping my righteous stuff :(). It reminds me a lot of tanking as a warrior - I'd say the number of buttons I press while paladin tanking are very close to the number a warrior presses while tanking.

Abi · 01/01/07, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by Athinira

I see nothing wrong with signing posts, and i often do it when making longer posts where i present something. It doesn't destroy the post or anything, and if people start to nuke it for that sole reason then i could care less, because people who QQ over something that little aren't even worth any attention.

Signing posts also shows some of your other characters, in this case i signed with my 2 active chars.

Albeit reasonable, your personal view on this is irrelevant.

"3) If you "sign" your posts, you will be mocked. You have a profile in which you can and should put all relevant information such that it already appears next to every post. Personally I think the mockery itself and the herd mentality that gives rise to it are as stupid as the thing being mocked, but nevertheless, you don't want to type your name or your initials or some fancy symbol at the bottom of every post. People here will probably ignore what you posted and just make fun of you. It's like being a fat kid."

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=6577

Back on topic; thanks for the effort.

Cryect · 01/01/07, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lord BEEF

This isn't a bad thread, gives people examples of what to expect, though more high level stuff would be good.

Personally I'd like to see a paladin tank video to better understand how it works and what it looks like

Yeah, a pally video is what I like to see though would prefer to see a pally actually tank ingame just no pally seems to want to be prot spec though that I do 5 mans with.

Edit: Also if I end up tanking next time in Karazhan will record a few videos of Druid OTing

Lord BEEF · 01/01/07, 3:11 PM

Just watched the shattered halls one, pretty cool. Seeing chain lightnings and flamestrikes in those pulls goes to show how strong swipe is for threat and why warriors are unhappy.

I expect that then TBC is released there will be videos of bear/paladin, 3 mage, and healer groups doing instances. The mages all specced for arcane sublety and just killing every pull with arcane explosions.

ildon · 01/01/07, 5:34 PM

Originally Posted by Lord BEEF

This isn't a bad thread, gives people examples of what to expect, though more high level stuff would be good.

Personally I'd like to see a paladin tank video to better understand how it works and what it looks like

I've been forcing my paladin friend to tank "for practice" (so I can DPS) when we do 5-mans, heh. He didn't even use Salv on me, and I was suprised how close to all-out I could go without pulling aggro (trinket + deathwish + execute was probably pushing it, though).

Edit: He's 40/11/0. I think paladin tanking is going to be like warrior tanking. Prot will help, but any spec can do it, especially in 5-mans, if the player is competent at least.

Athinira · 01/01/07, 5:47 PM

Originally Posted by Abi

Originally Posted by Athinira

I see nothing wrong with signing posts, and i often do it when making longer posts where i present something. It doesn't destroy the post or anything, and if people start to nuke it for that sole reason then i could care less, because people who QQ over something that little aren't even worth any attention.

Signing posts also shows some of your other characters, in this case i signed with my 2 active chars.

Albeit reasonable, your personal view on this is irrelevant.

"3) If you "sign" your posts, you will be mocked. You have a profile in which you can and should put all relevant information such that it already appears next to every post. Personally I think the mockery itself and the herd mentality that gives rise to it are as stupid as the thing being mocked, but nevertheless, you don't want to type your name or your initials or some fancy symbol at the bottom of every post. People here will probably ignore what you posted and just make fun of you. It's like being a fat kid."

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=6577

Back on topic; thanks for the effort.

Edited it out as many people pointed out as well as getting the "Kaubel will pwn you <3" comment from a mate on IRC ;P

On a sidenote, Steam Vaults (level 70-72 instace) is uploading atm and will be done so tomorrow morning (playing from Denmark that means around 8-10 hours from this post or so). 14 minutes of level 70 tanking that also shows what happens when a boss attains than 4k DPS on a tank (hitting consistently for 2.5k+ every second or so) :)

Dawn · 01/01/07, 6:17 PM

Originally Posted by Lord BEEF

I expect that then TBC is released there will be videos of bear/paladin, 3 mage, and healer groups doing instances. The mages all specced for arcane sublety and just killing every pull with arcane explosions.

I have been thinking along the same lines. A paladin would probably be optimal as he could hit every mob in a big pull with consecration and in addition to that put salvation on the mages/healer. Between salvation and arcane subtlety I think the mages should be able to go full out with arcane explosion without any risk of aggro. It should be possible to wipe out the trash in an instance at a crazy rate with a setup like that. I think it will be a lot of fun to do many of these instances as an AE capable class if you have a tank with solid aggro.

And yeah, I will freely admit I'm envious of the grace with which paladins/druids tank multiple mobs.

Whiteknight · 01/01/07, 6:28 PM

I imagine the trash would die really fast, but such a group would spend an absolutely huge amount of time sitting and drinking - arc explosion is really mana intensive. I bet if you ran the comparison, you might find that throughput is pretty close to a more traditional group just because of that.

Dawn · 01/01/07, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteknight

I imagine the trash would die really fast, but such a group would spend an absolutely huge amount of time sitting and drinking - arc explosion is really mana intensive. I bet if you ran the comparison, you might find that throughput is pretty close to a more traditional group just because of that.

I agree that you can burn through your mana bar in a short time with arcane explosion. However, you don't need that many targets for it to be more mana efficient than single target spells. Also, consider that you easily can drink to full in less than 30 sec with the level 70 summoned water. I'm not that sure how good the group would be for boss encounters though.