Elitist Jerks Resiliance rating in terms of item budget costs

 01/01/07, 4:59 PM #1 Teejmanglot Glass Joe   Teejmanglor Murloc Shaman   Mal'Ganis I have seen a number of posts that seem to discuss the rating itself but not so much the cost in terms of item budgets I took some items with simple stats and the RES rating and got the following using Subcreations Item Level Calculator: Generals Dragonhide Belt 21 STR 21 AGI 30 STAM 12 INT 21 RES 33 Healing Requires Level 70 Item Level: 110 This is an epic PVP reward Assuming that the values for all stats but STAM are the same, and STAM is calculated at 50% of previous budget costs, and if we calculate its item level without taking the RES, it comes to am item level of about 87. This leaves 23 levels left in the budget. If we do a 1:1 translation of RES to say...SPI (so saying 21 SPI instead of 21 RES) we get an item level of 103. If we increase it to 28 (from 21) we get the desired item level of 110. In this situation it would seem the RES stat is worth 77% of a SPI stat (and likewise a STR/INT/AGI stat as they are all the same, and 154% the cost of STAM as its budget cost has been reduced). Another item: General's Wyrmhide Boots 30 STAM 21 INT 21 RES 29 Damage/Healing 6 Mp/5 Requires level 70 Item Level 110 This an epic PVP reward If we once again ignore the RES stat for a moment the item is a level 83 epic. If we place the RES stat level into AGI we get a item level of 100. If we boos that number from 21 to 28 we again get the desired item level of 110. Again a value of 77% I have tested some of the blue rewards as well and they seem to give higher values (RES costing closer to 100% of base stats) than the epic rewards. Now Blizz has told us that 25 RES is equal to a 1% reduction in crit chance, but if the RES stat is between 150 and 200% the budgetary cost of STAM (with its newly weighted value) is it worth it? Is 1% reduction in crit chance worth what could be between 375 and 500 HP?
 01/01/07, 5:03 PM #2 Eylirria Piston Honda   Eyliria Pandaren Mage   Whisperwind Don't forget that the resilience rating that gives you -1% chance to be crit, also reduces the damage on crits by 2%
 01/01/07, 5:14 PM #3 Mist Don Flamenco   Ashwynn Blood Elf Paladin   Shattered Hand The value of all 'ratings' are 1:1 with stats. Thats why they have the random seeming numerical values that they do. They're infact not random at all.
 01/01/07, 5:18 PM #4 Kody Don Flamenco   Snore Night Elf Rogue   Kilrogg So far that I've seen the resilience stat is more costly in terms of worth than other stats. Take the sword from the Durn the Hungerer kill quest - it's superior to the sword from Temporus in Dark Portal. Level 68 quest, doable at 66, or a level 70 instance drop.
01/01/07, 5:40 PM   #5
Teejmanglot
Glass Joe

Murloc Shaman

Mal'Ganis
 Originally Posted by Mist The value of all 'ratings' are 1:1 with stats. Thats why they have the random seeming numerical values that they do. They're infact not random at all.
If this is true, and 1 RES = 1 STR or more importantly, 1 RES = 2 STAM, then we must ask (assuming all our gear was a blank slate and we could choose all the itemization) is it worth it. Is a 1% reduction in CRIT and 2% reduction in CRIT damage worth 500 HP?

01/01/07, 5:45 PM   #6
Hamlet
<Druid Trainer>

Tauren Druid

Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Teejmanglot
 Originally Posted by Mist The value of all 'ratings' are 1:1 with stats. Thats why they have the random seeming numerical values that they do. They're infact not random at all.
If this is true, and 1 RES = 1 STR or more importantly, 1 RES = 2 STAM, then we must ask (assuming all our gear was a blank slate and we could choose all the itemization) is it worth it. Is a 1% reduction in CRIT and 2% reduction in CRIT damage worth 500 HP?
Possibly. Remember that 500 Stam sounds much bigger to us right now than it will in a few months.

Back in the the BWL days, how quickly would you have written off the effects of +25 Defense? This is the same thing.

 01/01/07, 6:05 PM #7 csulok Glass Joe   Csulok Orc Shaman   Neptulon (EU) they did say a few months ago that increasing a stat after a certain point costs more and more in the budget.. in other words budget costs are exponential ( after a point ). shouldnt you add this to your calculations? or i remember it wrong?
01/01/07, 6:20 PM   #8
Mosh
Don Flamenco

Al'Akir (EU)
 Originally Posted by csulok they did say a few months ago that increasing a stat after a certain point costs more and more in the budget.. in other words budget costs are exponential ( after a point ). shouldnt you add this to your calculations? or i remember it wrong?
Knowledge of the itemization formulas, uncovered by Hyzenthlei, is practically expected around here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Item_Values

01/01/07, 6:27 PM   #9
Eylirria
Piston Honda

Pandaren Mage

Whisperwind
Originally Posted by Arawethion
Originally Posted by Teejmanglot
 Originally Posted by Mist The value of all 'ratings' are 1:1 with stats. Thats why they have the random seeming numerical values that they do. They're infact not random at all.
If this is true, and 1 RES = 1 STR or more importantly, 1 RES = 2 STAM, then we must ask (assuming all our gear was a blank slate and we could choose all the itemization) is it worth it. Is a 1% reduction in CRIT and 2% reduction in CRIT damage worth 500 HP?
Possibly. Remember that 500 Stam sounds much bigger to us right now than it will in a few months.

Back in the the BWL days, how quickly would you have written off the effects of +25 Defense? This is the same thing.
I understand that resilience would be a less desired stat in PvE than defense for most classes, but for what it's worth, you need to also take another situation into account -- the point where the CRIT damage reduction becomes meaningless because you are immune to crits already.

 01/01/07, 6:36 PM #10 Teejmanglot Glass Joe   Teejmanglor Murloc Shaman   Mal'Ganis So assuming that all mobs still have a 5% base chance to crit, it would require 125 RES stat to mitigate all crits (like defense does for warriors). I know that STAM is scaling very high in xpac gear, but still, at 70, in a PVE situation, is the 125 RES required to mitigate all crits worth the 2500 HP it equates to?
01/01/07, 6:48 PM   #11
csulok
Glass Joe

Orc Shaman

Neptulon (EU)
 Originally Posted by Mosh Knowledge of the itemization formulas, uncovered by Hyzenthlei, is practically expected around here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Item_Values
thank you, i'll read it, although i'm pretty sure there was something about exponential stuff.. the example was the old ring of the godslayer and the old band of reanimation, and how they could only add 7 agi while taking away all that sta ( 17 i believe ).

anyway.. nevermind my post

 01/01/07, 6:54 PM #12 Cryect Bald Bull   Cryect Night Elf Druid   Stormreaver Resilence isn't worth it in PvE its almost as expensive as Defense is per point (well 39.4 resilence rating to 60 defense rating for reducing 1% crit) but you don't get the extra avoidance granted by Defense (1% dodge/parry/block/miss) and the other component of Resilence gets more and more worthless the closer you become to crit immune. And since PvE mob spells can't crit you can't consider that as a benefit either. For PvP it seems a potentially useful ability but maybe too expensive but will definately help out for reducing spell damage. I need to do something useless.
 01/01/07, 7:17 PM #13 Lavode Bald Bull   Lavode Night Elf Druid   Earthen Ring (EU) Near as I can tell it resillience primarily a way to take the edge of a firemage burning combustion/rogue coldblood and such. IE: get hurt less by pvp crits which are for all intents and purpouses unavoidable. Only.. its still too damm expensive for that. stacking some resistances / more armor / more sta on your gear seems like it would be a better choice. Of course, the arena sets are have a fairly scary amount of Ilevel invested in resilience.
01/01/07, 7:49 PM   #14
Cathela
Still Bald Bull

Earthen Ring
 Originally Posted by Teejmanglot Assuming that the values for all stats but STAM are the same, and STAM is calculated at 50% of previous budget costs
I believe stamina is 67% of it's previous cost, which means you get 50% more stamina for the same itemization price. The stat distributions on BC greens tend to support this theory (e.g., "of the Eagle" tends to be +1.0x Intellect and +1.5x Stamina).

My comrades are my weapons, and I am their shield.

 01/01/07, 7:54 PM #15 Cloak Von Kaiser     Cloake Troll Rogue   Lothar The way the itemization base cost is calculated works by adding each stat variable to the power of 3/2 and then taking the total of each and taking it to the 2/3 power. By doing this, you must treat Resilience as its own seperate stat to reflect proper values for its icost. If you were to stack it with an already existing stat point, you would artificially inflate the icost of Resilience. The more you know, the less you understand.

 Elitist Jerks Resiliance rating in terms of item budget costs