QQmass, I think you and I are just on totally different pages. May I recommend the next few AV games you enter (as Horde), that you plot, on a time graph, the amount of honor you receive as Lt's are killed. I believe it will be painfully clear that the *majority* of honor that is going to be earned in a loss, is earned in the first few minutes. Regardless of how many GY's you cap or anything else for that matter. It's a simple measure of time. And when I come into games with ~150 honor doled out, well I just wasted the next 30 minutes of game time, with what will most likely amount to 0 honor.

It's bullshit. Your attempts to call the bullshit by any other name are futile, and you're just trying to justify something that shouldn't BE justified.

This thread is dumb.

This has nothing to do with anything I do, stop trying to make it personal by getting all huffy. In my battlegroup horde generally lose by around 10mins at the most, maybe a marshall or two and van. Perhaps part of the problem is not knowing the climates of other battlegroups but the fact that you go into BGs looking for a loss sounds like another issue all together. The fast win/loss attitude is another way to try to maximise an honor gain rate in AV, if the whole of horde actually tried to win for a change there would be less need for something like this. This is a result of frustration at the apathy of an entire faction due to blizzard stacking the whole BG with uneven bottlenecking and catilysed by huge groups of people giving up in the last weeks before the expansion.

I also posted this here, rather than say... the wow forum or even the SA wow forum to try and stimulate some inteligent conversation, rational, calm... just relax becuase I honestly dont care how angry you are about the state of AV on your server.

If you don't want to get into games that aren't new then find out how to avoid them, it's not hard.

AV is set to die in 10 days, so who cares what happens in it now.

Stop trying to feel morally superior about something that is irrelevant.