All the things you describe are not loot priority issues. They are guild management issues. In other words, no loot system in the world will fix a guild that is as dysfunctional as what you describe.

While your post is a shining example of how people need to capitalize the beginning of their sentences.

Irony = time off from posting here.

Along the lines of gearing up a guild, how difficult are the heroic 5-mans? Is it as difficult as a 45-minute Baron run? Is it as difficult as 5-manning Onyxia? Is it as difficult as 5-manning Loatheb?

Is it one big gear check? Is it a skills and group coordination check?

And where does it fit in the progression? If you're skilled, you can take it on when you first reach level 70? When you have the full Dungeon 3/blue PvP set? Or should you only attempt them once you're fully geared in Tier 4, fully enchanted and loaded with potions?

Also, how are the rewards handled?

If anyone has a link to a post that already has this information, that would be great. I did a search on "Heroic Instances" but didn't turn up anything that useful.

Thank you in advance.

I'll make a post on it, I've done most of the 5 mans in beta on heroic. Also, for those of you who like to cross your t's and dot your i's, there's resist gear in them thar hills.

IMO, Warriors/Priests/Druids tend to need the most gear, Paladins/Shamans/Rogues tend to need the next most gear, and Mages/Locks/Hunters tend to use only one set.

Coincidence? If set#1 drops more often, I think this system actually isn't that bad.

Thank you Anias. I'm sure this will be of benefit to many people.

I am going to echo what Nisu said.

I think if you want to see more progress you should be less concerned with loot distribution and focus on some other things.

I suggest looking into having players who play well, pay attention, research encounters, come with consumables, not afraid to use consumables, and a good raid leader. I also suggest trying to have more than enough good people instead of the perfect amount if they all happen to show up. You have these things and more bosses will die, giving you more loot to distribute as your guild sees fit.

I have been in a few guilds now. Some of them have failed and blamed loot distribution/lack of geared players in the raid for failure and some of the guilds went on to kill more bosses. The biggest difference I saw between the guilds was not the quality of loot on the players, it was the quality of play and the willingness to use consumables to overcome the lack of stats. You get too militant about loot distribution and it can create drama which usually means you lose players and that hurts a lot more than spreading out loot a bit more between happy well prepared players. Gearing up certain people before others won't magically kill bosses.

Well, while the allocation of the classes might not be the best there is atleast a system I think:

X of the Fallen/Vanquished Champion = Paladin, Rogue, Shaman.
X of the Fallen/Vanquished Defender = Warrior, Priest, Druid.
X of the Fallen/Vanquished Hero = Hunter, Mage, Warlock.

Going by the 5 mans you need atleast 1 Tank and 1 Healer and rest is DPS/Others. If you take a look at the "Warrior, Priest, Druid" part you don't need a Warrior to tank if you bring a Feral Druid so that reduces the competing classes to 2. If your Druid is healing then there won't be a need for another Priest thus reducing competition to 2 classes again (assuming a Warrior tanks). Likewise you won't bring 1 Hunter, 1 Mage and 1 Warlock to every 5 man, usually one or two of those DPS classes.

That being out of the way there still is a big problem with off specs. What if your Druid is tanking, your Warrior and your Priest are DPSing and you have a Paladin healer? You'll have 3 classes competing for one token. Add the fact that those classes have atleast two different sets to collect and you are in for some pain.

As Jubling replied to this, "why not"?

What if Druids/Paladins/Shaman/Priests/Warriors (hybrids) got all 2/3 of their chest pieces for one chest token turn-in?

That might seem over the top, but we can't use all three sets at the same time. One chest token turn-in would give the chest pieces needed to perform any of the 2-3 functions already laid out by the new tier 4/5 sets. Having to gear up 2-3x more than a pure DPS class is not a "feature" of WoW, it's a pain in the ass.

Blizzard went in the right direction by offering different sets. This would be a great "next step".

While I agree with the fact that the current token distribution is a little odd, this is what you're suggesting sounds like to me, you want a PvE Raid set, and a PvP/Grind set at the same time. But that would leave out some classes whos PvE sets aren't exactly practical for PvP (mages for the most part). I wouldn't complain to getting two though :) And since I've been playing my shaman over the last few weeks, having to get more than one set sucks, but I (a mage) wouldn't really like what you suggested. This probaly sounds like a QQ post, just my opinion though.

As said before, I'd think the classes need to be swapped around a bit, or maybe the % drop rates reflect the amount of classes in that group. That could backfire though, seeing Token1 with a 40% drop and Token2 with a 20% and Token3 with 40%.

Some people seemed to get very weak minded MT's out there, and that scares me. I admit, we lost the former MT due Drama, but without euipting the new MT (that's me) our progression would be much lower (we started from Zero in MC). So euqipting the MT and a second one first is a good idea, the risk of loss is always there, and not a real reason to hinder stuff (RL can happen anytime to anyone) and the other....make clear that a) Tanking set ist not a price for archivment, it's an investment b) That the sweat,blood,tears off usually more then 40 People have flown.