Heroic Five Mans, what you need to know, and what you should expect. - Page 11

Chuck · 01/31/07, 5:21 AM

Originally Posted by Elerion

If the heroic second Black Morass boss has no significant changes from the non-heroic version, there's a pretty handy trick to make him significantly easier: Dodge gear on the tank. 90% of the time you dodge the special attack the heal debuff will tick out. Our druid tank with the dodge trinket and normal tank gear went the whole fight never getting more than one debuff today.

Had the same setup and got it stacked to 5-6 and died of it with only one healer. Was very frustrated of it. Atm with our normal MT having shield blocking his melee crap (which also prevents the debuff as far I know - at least it seems so never got to read the CL there).
However this is quite offtopic.

First heroic experience was slave pens - we're a set of T2 + 2-3 items T3 ppl group of 2xfiremage,1xresto/feral hybrid druid,1xholy priest,1x prot warrior. anyhow - double defender pull was giving us helluva bad time whilst the first bossfight was no problem.
Any tricks we've not gotten around yet or is it really spamheal and rely on having no crits on the tank?

♦ Oggie · 01/31/07, 8:18 AM

Originally Posted by Chuck

Had the same setup and got it stacked to 5-6 and died of it with only one healer. Was very frustrated of it. Atm with our normal MT having shield blocking his melee crap (which also prevents the debuff as far I know - at least it seems so never got to read the CL there).
However this is quite offtopic.

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Chuck · 01/31/07, 8:35 AM

Originally Posted by Oggie

Originally Posted by Chuck

Had the same setup and got it stacked to 5-6 and died of it with only one healer. Was very frustrated of it. Atm with our normal MT having shield blocking his melee crap (which also prevents the debuff as far I know - at least it seems so never got to read the CL there).
However this is quite offtopic.

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oooh thank you very much .. didnt check for runspeed buffs on the boss :/

Kalman · 01/31/07, 8:54 AM

Originally Posted by Chuck

Originally Posted by Oggie

Originally Posted by Chuck

Had the same setup and got it stacked to 5-6 and died of it with only one healer. Was very frustrated of it. Atm with our normal MT having shield blocking his melee crap (which also prevents the debuff as far I know - at least it seems so never got to read the CL there).
However this is quite offtopic.

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oooh thank you very much .. didnt check for runspeed buffs on the boss :/

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jaske · 01/31/07, 9:16 AM

Originally Posted by cladnin

If you get a gem as your purple, you get no item. Getting terrible gems instead of awesome items (like Kargath's Arm) is sadfaces.

Bladefist realy isnt that great, just looks awesome. Some gems that u can get are really nice, a paladin today got 11healing 4 spelcrit rating yellow/red and a 11healing 2 mana 5 red/yellow from Ramparts (dragon guy) and Slave Pens (last boss) respectively. Then you can get things that are barely better then blues (5 spell dmg, 6 stam [epic] vs 4spell dmg 6stam [blue]).

♦ Oggie · 01/31/07, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by Kalman

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Lavode · 01/31/07, 10:04 AM

Re: time to complete the instance. It depends how well you group plays, and knows the normal instance - I managed to clear every 5 man boss in coilfang in a span of about 6-7 hours, and underbog and steamvaults were first runs of heroic. hour and a half would not be a unreasonable goal at all if you are farming it, as opposed to figuring it out.

Acustar · 01/31/07, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Kalman

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A question on the bugs in the Black Morass events:

We've had multiple 'skipped' portals, but two nights ago we actually had one of the 'skipped' portals show up the same time as the final dragon boss (spawned at exactly the same time - 18th portal) Has anyone figured out any reason as to why they skip? Or why sometimes the event goes -really- fast and others its 30+ seconds between waves?

ps If a warrior can get lucky and reflect the caster dragons +50% spell damage debuff you'll certainly make your casters happy (and dead if their not careful) :D

cladnin · 01/31/07, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by jaske

Originally Posted by cladnin

If you get a gem as your purple, you get no item. Getting terrible gems instead of awesome items (like Kargath's Arm) is sadfaces.

Bladefist realy isnt that great, just looks awesome. Some gems that u can get are really nice, a paladin today got 11healing 4 spelcrit rating yellow/red and a 11healing 2 mana 5 red/yellow from Ramparts (dragon guy) and Slave Pens (last boss) respectively. Then you can get things that are barely better then blues (5 spell dmg, 6 stam [epic] vs 4spell dmg 6stam [blue]).

Yea, but then again some are just pure horrible :)

Nnep · 01/31/07, 3:35 PM

I've yet to see one nice gem from a heroic, perhaps i'm unlucky.

Hell, even the reward after the Nightbane questline is a selection of terrible gems for a tremendous amount of work =/

Ultramax · 01/31/07, 3:45 PM

Edit: Upon further review itemization is just fucked up in general.

I will go on record as saying I think socketing is a bunch of bullshit though.

♦ Praetorian · 01/31/07, 4:18 PM

I don't think so -- I think it allows for more variety in itemization without making 1000 different things that are all only slightly different from each other and pissing everyone off. If you need +def to be uncrittable, socket +def. Then when you get more +def from other gear, overwrite that with more stam or pure avoidance. If I really like mp5 and don't like +healing so much (for example), I can load up all my gear with mp5 instead of having to rely on a tiny handful of drops that were designed by someone who shares my view of what my class desires, gear-wise.

Anyway, this is obviously quite far afield from Heroics, so I'll stop there.

ipcv · 01/31/07, 4:47 PM

I'm just curious, these "epic" gems dropping in Heroic instances, are they "unique"?
I know this is a very old subject, but the most annoying thing about these "unique" gems is that you can't get a 2nd one, when the 1st one is already socketed.

cladnin · 01/31/07, 4:52 PM

Unique, yes. To add, it is indeed 1 epic per end boss. The epic can be a gem or a loot.

• Snowy · 01/31/07, 5:46 PM

Gems is a discussion for another topic, one which I think is well worth visiting by the way. I still don't fully understand how much of the item budget they are taking away, although I like the ability to be able to customize my gear somewhat. But that's enough of being offtopic here.

Eej · 01/31/07, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by Nezralix

I have no particular issue with socketed items as long as they don't eat more of an item budget from a Tier 6 item as they do from one obtained from a blue level 70 quest reward, but I guess the evidence suggests that they do? Is there some kind of implied assumption that if you have an epic item then you'll be using epic gems from these Heroic instances, and thus the socket is somehow implicitly more valuable? If so, then that's clearly a pretty bad assumption.

Epic gems can be placed in any socket, so I don't think sockets will increase in value with item level (although I could be wrong). You can stick a PvP gem the lowest level socketed item, in any case. Not that I recommend you do it.

♦ Oggie · 01/31/07, 5:54 PM

Actually I think gemming would be a fascinating topic for a thread actually- I tend to see some great viewpoints on here about similar subjects..

As it stands however, not being able to see/roll on/hold gems if you have an unique socketed somewhere drives me up the wall- unique equipped alone would make this paticular itemization reward from Heroics that much more appealing.

Still no idea on the skipping things in Black Morass, though I've not so much as seen one skip since TBC went live (I had really, really bad luck with this in beta). I have, however, noticed a massive overall slowdown in the spawn waves in beta-> live, which 'feels' like it might have been hotfixed up to almost full speed. As much as I adore the instance, the bugginess is a bit annoying.

Nakilos · 01/31/07, 6:32 PM

Here is something for people to think about, the Warbringer in Heroic Shattered Halls. Works the same as normal, however he does hit harder when the heads fight to decide who to hit. I've had inconsistant luck getting back agro (without people Ice blocking/fading or anything like that). Sometimes, 1 shield slam and he's back on me no problem. One time, it was 1 Heroic Strike, and a bunch of times I could ration rage to have a near full rage bar and no matter how many sunders/slams/hs, he just will not get back on me.

A group member suggested the mechanic is he exchanges agro values of two people, namely the tank and the person a head decides to go after. Anyone have any theories, or are those heads just going to attack whoever they damn well feel like.

thebuddha · 01/31/07, 6:41 PM

I ran Ramparts and Blood Furnace last night and although it was a fun/challenging experience, I still can't really justify the time involvement for the rewards (though, the Badge of Justice items are very nice). My biggest complaint with the implementation is that the gear required to clear these is superior and/or equal to the gear that drops. Perhaps we've been 'spoiled' in the past that zones like Naxx have had solid upgrades that were a worthy reward for each additional boss slain per week.

It's funny to me to see the sudden change in emotion when you kill a challenging boss (2nd Boss in Blood Furnace for example) only to be rewarded with a [Large Prismatic Shard]. Oh and our [Effulgent Chrysoprase] from the final Ramparts boss was pretty sick.

edit: Item link for that gem doesn't appear to work (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30594) +5 defense and 2mp5

Joy · 01/31/07, 7:27 PM

Has anyone completed a heroic Shadow labs? We tried last night but after repeated Deaths to the felguards the night ended a lot earlier than it should have.

Lamaros · 01/31/07, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Joy

Has anyone completed a heroic Shadow labs? We tried last night but after repeated Deaths to the felguards the night ended a lot earlier than it should have.

What was the problem for you with the feguards? Fear?

Ziggurat · 01/31/07, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Joy

Has anyone completed a heroic Shadow labs? We tried last night but after repeated Deaths to the felguards the night ended a lot earlier than it should have.

We did. The felguards and the 6pulls before inciter were really the only challenging things in the zone. For the felguards we had tremor down and did some guesswork with shield reflects and zerker rage for the fears.

Laurens · 02/01/07, 3:50 AM

Originally Posted by Acustar

We've had multiple 'skipped' portals, but two nights ago we actually had one of the 'skipped' portals show up the same time as the final dragon boss (spawned at exactly the same time - 18th portal) Has anyone figured out any reason as to why they skip? Or why sometimes the event goes -really- fast and others its 30+ seconds between waves?

My group experienced this too, last night. It felt like the instance was jumping between heroic and normal mode.

Bolche · 02/01/07, 6:19 AM

It seems that nobody has mentioned the role of pets in heroic instances. Isn't something like a BM spec hunt's bear or a demono spec lock's VW/Felgard a useful offtank for large pack of trash mobs ? or are they too weak ?

Kink · 02/01/07, 6:25 AM

Originally Posted by Bolche

It seems that nobody has mentioned the role of pets in heroic instances. Isn't something like a BM spec hunt's bear or a demono spec lock's VW/Felgard a useful offtank for large pack of trash mobs ? or are they too weak ?

I would see them as being too weak, there is no way a healer could keep two tanks alive. Better to CC and if its a very rough pull.. pull em way back and use fear liberally.

Don't forget pets have decent mitigation, but next to nothing for avoidance, so they get trounced fairly hard =/.