Sorry if this has been addressed before, I did a search and couldn't find anything.

From the http://TBC FAQhttp://forums.worldofw...65106559&sid=1:

I always "pvped" alot for fun but wasn't really interested in the rewards. I've got around 40k now and was thinking of getting 2 parts from the epic set for the 20 stam bonus, the reasoning being it would be a good stamina increase (around 400hp) to level on the tbc.

With this confirmation, i wonder if it's worth to buy some gems now, considering they are epics. I am afraid though we get better gems while leveling or that honor is much easier to get at level 70. Can someone in beta share their opinions on this matter?

Most of the PvP gems are actually the best in the game for the given stat (spellpower or attack power). The major limitation to these gems is you can only have one (Unique). If you put a PvP gem in a piece of gear you need to destroy it or destroy the item to be able to buy another of the same gem. As a result of this, it’s a better idea to not put a PvP gem into anything but the new tier 4 or 5 (and particularly a piece you think you aren’t going to replace soon). Honor isn’t significantly faster at 70, and honor doesn’t decay (or gem prices change, I hope) so it seems like saving up honor that you could use to buy a gem at 70 is a good idea, because you could always just turn around and buy some PvP gear to improve yourself as well.

Long story short, unless you're at the 75k honour cap, there's no real need to get anything that isn't an immediate upgrade. 40k is a great deal, but I'd sooner spend it on a new weapon or a piece of armour than a gem.

If you have spare honour floating around, and you are not in any danger of hitting the honour cap, keep it in your honour screen. No reason not to. :-)

The PvP gems are the best at their various stats. If you have nothing else to buy, go ahead. Honor isn't used in any Outland vendor (they all use PvP marks from various world objective PvP things).

I know the level 70 blue PvP rewards guy will use your old honor and a few of the rewards require 20 AV marks.

If you are at the cap, it is worth getting, otherwise it is better to wait.

Uhm, thats pretty much a common knowledge. There was a lot of whine threads on beta boards for this issue, and suggestions to introduce "Unique-socketed" category.

They're among the best gems available, at least of those that have been found. I got all 3 gems, the ring (before the cost increase), and the trinket, and I'm once again at the 75k honor cap. It just gives you a head start.

I think the OP's concern was more focused on whether the armor upgrades are valueable enough to spend points on, considering how fast item levels progress in the expansion.

I would answer you by saying that warrior General PVP gear will probably not be replaced till at least mid 60s. So, depending on how valueable they are to [b]you[b], i.e. upgrade value, you'll have to make a call.

Yes.

For me the addition of 2 epic pvp items (legs and chest in this case) would represent around 450hp more, and a bit less ap (i have mostly (aq40 dps gear).

At the moment i'm more inclined to keep the points, as i'm also considering the pvp set http://www.thottbot.com/beta?s=marsh...ate;sort=level you can buy at level 70, that's quite good and even cheaper than current set. But still a bit undecided as it seems increased stamina plays a big role in TBC.

I think the emphasis on increased stamina in TBC is overblown. The game needs to be playable to someone leveling from 1-70 who doesn't stop to raid three tiers of instances before stepping foot in Outlands. Certainly any gear you obtain pre-expansion will assist you in leveling, but the difference of 400HP will not make the game playable versus impossible. If my honor were capped I would certainly buy the gems/rings/etc, but I would save the honor for level 70 rewards otherwise.

*Note: I leveled to 70 on beta. I also never felt the need to stack stamina gear.

I thought the honor cap is 90k?

CM's posted it was approximately double the cost of the highest item, and later that Dev's corrected them and it was hard-coded at 75k. Unsurprisingly, the later response was buried deep within threads and wasn't widely known.

I think its tought to say the pvp gems are the best gems for their socket type. If your trying to fill the requirements of a meta, like 4 of each color socketed, then you dont really want red or yellow gems. I do like the opal, it satisfies 2 colors in one gem, and fits in either primary slot, but Im a bit reluctant to use many primaries when I am building for a meta.

4 of each color is dead simple.

The honor cap will be 90k on Tuesday, since the 70 2H weapons cost 45k honor.

That's what I'm saying heh.

I mean I stopped at 60k due to lazism(Is that a word?!), but I was aiming for 90k.

I'll assume it's 75k though and take the word of these boards heh.

PvE or PvP server?

I levelled 2 chars to 70 on the pvp server and I most definitely felt the need to stack stamina, particularly on the warrior.

I was under the impression that multicolor gems don't count at all towards meta requirements.

Thanks, this helped me decide :). Considering I should level fast, it's probably wiser to use my honor on the level 70 epic set, as it's focus (more sta and resilience) is a bit different from the warrior dps set you can get on dungeons. As for gems, they are tempting but perhaps is best to have a bit more knowledge of socketing and itemization before buying them.

edit: i'm on a pve server btw.

Multicolor actually count for each color, so purple is red and blue. Makes metagems reqs not so bad, you don't have to insanely stack shitty gems to get use of the metagem, however you do need to have learnt how colors mix when you were a kid ^^

I was on the PvP server. My stamina rose from 4100 unbuffed at 60, to 7000 unbuffed at 70. I started with mostly T2 and T2.5. The only items I didn't replace with blues by 70 were Prestor's and T3 boots. I only upgraded if it was a DPS upgrade.