I think it has less to do with the gear and more to do with the ability and attitude of the players. Obviously those who had full tier 3 were equipped with the fortitude and knowledge of their class to conquer difficult encounters. The long hours of required raiding associated with Naxx obviously prepared raiders better than BWL and MC could have. Not to mention that having the time to raid 3-4 hours a night gives them the ability to reach level 70 by leveling 3-4 hours a night.

That isn't to say that a lot of them are still wearing a majority of their tier 3, but i wouldn't attribute their success to that fact.

I'm still wearing every piece of Cryptstalker for pretty much every fight. For fights with significant splash damage, I put on some of my PVP gear (I have the neck, cloak, bracers, and belt from the honor I saved pre-expansion) and my 27 stam rings. I have a Sonic Spear instead of Eye of Nerub now, but otherwise I'm pretty much using the same gear.

From what i can tell, the only people for whom upgrading to new gear is terribly important (assuming top tier raid gear previously) is tanks - Full dreadnaught is NOT sufficient to tank hard-hitting stuff at 70. I remember one of our tanks sounding absolutely shocked on vent one time - "I just got crit. I haven't gotten crit since Molten Core."

Its an instant hearth that works in combat that uses your hearthstone (and hearths to where your hearthstone is set also).

Yes, after the first attempt he bugs out and no infernals spawn and well lets say the infernals are the entire fight and also your soft GG timer.


Basically you should be getting into Karazhan and start getting your players upgrades because while there is several sidegrades there are several nice upgrades spread throughout the instance. Our 1st Raiding Karazhan team we've now got everything killed besides Netherspite (have our strategy down now) & Nightbane (who we've almost got the rep to run the heroic mode instances for his summon quest). Even had a 3% try on Malchezaar in his nonbugged state after only fighting him once that way on beta. For reference we cleared Karazhan on beta once except for Netherspite and Nightbane who they had only a few hours of attempts on (I was off on vacation elsewhere at those times).

Netherspite and Nightbane are the only bosses that should give any Naxx clearing guild some trouble since one requires spending some time coming up with a strategy and understanding the fight while the other one is just hard.


Also guilds should start working on High King Maulgar who's not that bad and quite a fun and interesting fight and has an interesting twist in it.

Did you mean to type this into an IM program you have running in a different window? Capitalize. Spell out "people." I'm not asking for posts that read like articles in a scholarly journal, but taking 25 seconds instead of 20 seconds when typing out a couple of sentences to hit the shift key from time to time is hardly unreasonable.

We ran it for one night before reset so we could clean up some rep and then started a proper run this week,we killed Aran yesterday and i would say atleast 1 item from every boss has been de'd. I find it silly how Chess even and Illhoof are just obvious loot vendors, i mean you could walk in and have no idea how to do it (like we did) and kill them. Working on Prince and Netherspite now so we'll see how hard they are.

Even a months behind RP server has 4 bosses in Karazhan cleared ;) We've disenchanted some loot, but other loot has replaced existing loot.

[Vambraces of Courage] vs. [Dreadnaught Bracers]
[Handwraps of Flowing Thought] vs. [Dark Storm Gauntlets] vs. [Frostfire Gloves]
[Gloves of Centering] vs. [Redemption Handguards]
[Shadow-Cloak of Dalaran] vs. [Cloak of the Brood Lord]
[Emerald Ripper] vs. [Death's Sting] vs. [Maexxna's Fang]

Spent a bit butting my head against Aran without a warlock, just couldn't come up with a way to reliably get it down with the healer light group I was running. Druid / Paladin / Priest / 2x rogue / 2x hunter / 2x mage / warrior

Oh well, at least he's 'optional' and you can run past him.

Malchezaar now functions correctly (summons infernals), however he can now Enfeeble the MT.

Did he summon infernals after your first try? He was definately bugged yesterday when we did him.

Edit: Also if he enfeebled your MT someone pulled aggro :-p We had that happen also yesterday >_>

Nah, it's happened on 9 attempts in a row. And yea, all 10 attempts had infernals, not a big deal. They're actually non issue. We get him to "non infernal phase" in 2 infernal summons, they mean nothing. Our tank keeps getting Enfeeble and we just get owned, left for the night, complete bullshit.

Nice :) Glad to hear they fixed it was kinda dumb the other way.

Did him tonight, and yes, the infernals are fixed. Never encountered the MT getting enfeebled though. Had our mage pull aggro early on during one attempt. If the infernal spawn isn't random, I haven't been able to notice it though. And I think you could get quite unlucky with them at times and could get screwed over by them easily. While at other times, they are hardly a factor.

Infernals shouldn't be an issue in the fight unless you are taking too long for most of the fight you should only have 4 infernals up and worst case if your DPS is too slow 9 infernals total based on what I figured out from our 3% attempt (basically the amount of infernals is your GG timer). Once they start going beyond 4 infernals its easy to get into a bad situation quick.

I petitioned about the Enfeeble and got a GM response (who knows if its valid or not), he/she said it is a known issue.

A known issue, it has been like that since freakin beta. I always assumed it was part of the encounter in some way (our Tank was a Pally who just DS'd when he got Enfeebled, and we prayed it didn't happen more than twice a fight), but could never figure out what sort of mechanic you were supposed to use to prevent death besides BoP or DS on the tank.

Did our first forays into Karazhan yesterday and I dont think I have had as much fun raiding in wow ever.
We are a medium progressed guild (Grobb in naxx) and we downed 4 bosses yesterday so its definitely possible to start early with Karazhan even if you arent bleeding edge.

The first boss was a real dissapointment but both the second and the fourth (opera) were really nice.
For our opera event we got Little red ridinghood which means killing the big bad wolf. Its a really easy encounter made harder by the fact that I almost fell out of my chair laughing the entire time. I wont spoil anything but its an absolutely hillarious encounter.

We did Karazhan two nights ago (We take weekends off). We completed up to The Curator, and called it night at that.

We were running.

1 Warrior (MS)
2 Druids (1 Resto/1 Feral)
2 Mages (Frost)
2 Hunters (Marks)
2 Priests (Shadow)
1 Rogue (Combat Fist)

Everything went pretty smooth excluding the Skeletal Ushers. Those are a pain for sure, and the Maiden of Virtue is a complete joke. We were planning on starting the 25man (Gruuls Lair) on Tuesday. However we're likely to have some mid 60s in the mix, anyone advise otherwise? Or is this viable?

From what I've heard when people in the raid have higher threat then the tank, but not quite high enough to pull aggro, the tank can get enfeebled.

As for Gruul's Lair, it is definately possible to bring mid 60's(I think you need to be 65 to zone in). The first boss is easy as long as your tank has enough hp/mitigation to not die from Maulgar's Instant attack + auto attack. The pull is tricky but once everything is stable it becomes much easier.

Edit: We killed him(prince) earlier this week so I'm not entirely sure if this information is still accurate. He also wasn't spawning infernals for us the night of our kill.

We did our first Karazan group yesterday and it was a blast. It's so refreshing to play with just 10 focused players and not having to continually track the 3-4 afk players, wait for some disconnect and whatever else happens in 40 player raid groups. I have not enjoyed raiding that much in quite a long time.

Overall the difficulty level could be a bit higher imo. None of us had ever seen the instance before other then the french movie and up to and including illhoof, the stuff was not very hard. Huntsman, Maiden and Illhoof are easier then some ZG bosses strategy-wise, they only hit the tank harder. If the overall difficulty level was more oriented along the level of the trash (hello 6k+ hits on mail, 1 shotted clothies etc), it might be even more fun. I kinda expected to wipe more. :)

The loot seems about right for the difficulty level of the first few bosses though. We sharded quite a few drops and all spelldmg cloth went to priests as mages/locks passed, having better 'old' or lvl 70 instance gear. I suppose that changes when you hit the non-easy bosses though.

We tried hitting The Curator today and I just have to assume that we are either pretty undergeared for him or that our classbalance wasnt up to the task (3warr, 2hunt, 2 priest, 1 mage, 1 pally, 1 rogue) because we got pretty much destroyed.

Im also starting to hate the trash. Respawntimes at around 45mins is just plain dumb.

Should have been kinda fine though yeah that class balance isn't so great. Replace a hunter with a warlock (you will want him come aran) and one of the warriors for a feral druid. Though I'm guessing thats your class balance of who got to 70 first basically.

From my experiences so far, the best group setup for Karazhan is 1 of every class, plus an extra tank and extra healer. Feral druids are nice because of the versatility they provide, which is very helpful with a limited raid. I like 2 Warrior, 2 Paladin, and 1 of everything else, because an extra druid/priest doesn't give another buff, while paladins do, and in a pinch they can offtank. Turn undead is very nice too.