I don't recall Tama making that comparison.

He didn't, but it's a tactic that is pretty much accepted as not an exploit. Mabe he thinks it is exploiting, or closer to it. If that's the case, fine. The double standard is what I have a problem with.

Any dumbass can see that doing Prince in the hallway is cheesy and exploiting. Anyone saying otherwise is just kidding themselves to alleviate any guilt they may have for not doing the encounter the intended way.

Again, you're ignoring the fact that the main part of the encounter are the infernals he summons and how you're supposed to react.

Without those infernals, he's just a tank and spank. The enfeeble, the AoE, the SW:P and the axes do not that make fight special.

There is no difference, that's exploiting. When you can damage a mob with it having the ability to damage you (without it Evading), you're exploiting. I'm surprised you even brought this up as an argument.

I know you're attempting to make the case that since the Prince can hit you, everything is ok. But, you know what you're doing by standing in the hallway. You know exactly what you're avoiding.

Actually you could with a few positions but you could only autoattack any specials will pop up a message for LOS. Heh just something I found out in some position I was trying to find so I was always out of LOS but could heal all the melee even if they were foolish and stayed in for the breath.

Anyways not very feasible being able to just autoattack a mob.

Oh also that position only worked for Night Elves was funny I was like rogues I found a closer safe position and they stood on top me and they all got hit except the night elves.

As I said about 5 pages back, the 5 tries it took on Prince to get our first kill we only had to move him twice out of all 5 attempts. Sometimes you just get lucky I guess, but that made the fight nothing but a pure tank 'n spank too.

Edit- doing this the approved way, that is.

Unbelievable that excuses some people will make to cheese an encounter.

Your comment really reeks of "Well, we do it a different way and make the fight tougher! Whereas you get an easier fight due to your tactic and get the same loot, that is not fair so I will make exclaimations to make myself sound better"

I downed the prince both ways. At first we got Infernals spawning everywhere but our safe spot, no problems and prince dies. In fact when this happens the fight was basically EXACTLY THE SAME. Due to luck.

Now I hate luck in fights. It irritates me. I want to be able to use skill, positioning etc. Mob has a nasty AE? Ok, position the tank in LoS and the mob out of LoS. Thats all we did now basically.

If blizzard decide tomorrow its an exploit, they are free to close the doors, or officially say its an exploit. Once they do that we will go back to the original tactic and still down him, but maybe we will wipe a couple times too due to idiot luck but I don't consider us "using an excuse to cheese the encounter", but instead using tactics and positioning to ease our pain at idiotic wipes due to poor encounter design.

If Blizzard say that its is 100% a legit tactic what then? Still cheesing it by using positioning to avoid an ae? As I said above, if they say it IS an exploit (I really don;t care, I know we can down him anyways) we will go back to trusting luck at times. Or trying to figure out safe spots (just outside the doorway would still be safe I would assume) for people which will then reduce the fight back to EXACTLY what it is now.


I really don't see the issue here.

Please take discussion of whether or not X is an exploit here:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...86695889&sid=1

This is going in circles and is painful to read.

vvvv This post was being typed when I wrote this. But no more, please.

Its not necessarily that. Yes i hate luck fights more than anything so i can see the high willingness to find an "easier" way to do the encounter overall. It would be nice if Blizzard had scripted Prince to have a set of infernal spawns that varied but still didnt get you into the unlucky situation of where your pinned in. Yes we had several attempts on him where we were basically stuck and then had him plant an infernal right on top of our entire raid.

If the fight were less luck based then im sure you would see people doing the encounter how it was intended but i just find it funny that people constantly use poor encounter design to justify doing an encounter in a way that is very clearly unintended. There really is no gray area with concerns to Prince's infernals.

We got the romulo and julianne event for the ~6th time last night.

I heard the "forbidden love" intro and immediately quaffed a few potions. Sure they nerfed it, but I figured it'd probably still be a challenge since 3 of the guys in the raid had never been there before and our third healer was a feral druid instead of his usual furry self.

Ye gods. They must have cut Romulo's damage in half. I don't think I logged a single hit over 2-3k (crushing). Oz is probably the hardest opera event for a new group now.

I think you could 3 man BBW.... Running in circles while he yells is also the most fun out of all the opera events . Sure sometimes new people don't quite know how to kite the wolf on their first try, but they die and we continue on with 5-6 people and win easily.

Yeah, I guess as long your tank knows how to do it, you should be fine.

Aye. Incidentally, does anyone know if it is intended that using an aggro dump as you get hit with LRRH is supposed to put the wolf back on the tank?

BoP seems perfectly fine. What else is there?

You can do BBW with half your raid up though as long as 1 healer survives. Heck get him to around 25% or so and you might not even need the healer.

Vanish works too. Sometimes it clears the riding hood debuff, sometimes it doesn't. But it will always be gone when the timer runs out.

BoP, bubble... maybe even ice blocks will make you be able to sit there and take hits from the wolf as he won't change targets off the immune person. It acts as protection but not a deaggro.

He definitely stops attacking immune people whenever we try it.... but all the things you mentioned are just temporary aggro dumps and remove the speed buff. Meaning as soon as you aren't immune anymore, he runs over and kills you easily.

It's interesting that people are saying Oz is preferred over BBW. One of our raid groups consistently one shots BBW, got Oz for the first time ever this week and got stuck last night. To each their own I guess :o

Hmm it has been some time since we've gotten to do this fight. (I swear we get RnJ every week).

When we did it the wolf would stay beating on the paladins bubble/bop until the lil red riding hood debuff went away. Maybe it was fixed in the last month or so since I've done the fight?

I'm not sure, we haven't tried it in over a month due to the deaths that it caused the first BBW we got. We still have yet to see R&J, ever. I saw it once in beta (did about 10 opera events there). Don't you just love random stuff?