Phew. Glad I passed this one to a priest who wanted it.

I guess I should tell him to keep using his Rejuv gem now.

When originally reading about this I had thought the final stack would have a 20 second duration....now that I know it does not, this trinket is pretty bad.

The next one I'll give to our paladin to play with and after that it is void crystal time.

The alchemy one is pretty good, actually. I use it instead of shard of the scale if I know I'm going to be chugging potions.

Maybe its because they're trying to design interesting and unsual trinkets and we're all a bit lazy and prefer ones we don't have to think too much about swapping in and out. Right now, I don't see giving up the Rejuv Gem for anything any time soon.

havnt seen any clear upgrades yet. maybe the jewelcrafting shatar one and the priest +250 spirit ssc trinket but all the others are no real upgrades for reju or shard of scale.

The Pendant of the Violet Eye has been given a nice buff for 2.1:

Old: +14MP5 per cast over 20 seconds
Now: +21MP5 per cast over 20 seconds *AND* +40 Int

Thus this trinket is the equivelent of 21MP5 all the time (really a burst of 540ish mana if casting 1.5sec spells) and +600 Mana and +Spell Crit from the 40Int.

Quite nice at this point. It's akin to the buff granted to Ribbon of Sacrifice (20 Heal per buff and 11MP5 >> 30 Heal per buff and +73Heal) and to Eye of Gruul (total rewrite of mechanics) as well as many others:
Earring of Soulful Meditation
Serpent Coil Braid

To see the changes, go to Thottbot and search for the item, changed items will have a section below the item saying 'changed on test server'. Mouse over it for a comparison.

-Drahm

Uh, yeah. We've known about the change for a while now. I'm not sure what inspired you to register an account AND bump a two month old thread just to post that.

- Drahm

Not trying to engage in thread necromancy, I was simply perusing that particular thread based on a link from another current thread regarding healing trinkets and their relative value. The discussion above contains some very useful information regarding this trinket's mechanism, and my final comments cap out that discussion with perspective on future value.

-Drahm

Hey guys, what's up?

-Drahm

This last few posts are really Drahm annoying.

The original reason for this post was to ask for it to be moved to the theorycraft forum (after it was linked via shaman forum), but I didn't have time to edit it at work today. Sorry.

This is a very old thread.

Oh hi thread, I remember you. Forum necromancy is bad, you are bringing back painful memories of my time spent playing a paladin.

Sorry to bring up an old thread but after doing some reading on this current thread i came to the conclusion that most people are not fond of this trinket because of its lack of reliability. Well I just might have something to solve this problem that some of you might like to try out.

I have been using Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon - Items - World of Warcraft Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon, for while now. It increases my in-combat mana regen to be equal with my out of combat mana regen level. I noticed that if you can get Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon to proc the same time that you activate Pendant of the Violet Eye - Items - World of Warcraft Pendant of the Violet Eye you can get some serious mana regen.

Now the problem that im running into is that obviously they are not going to proc at the same time. But when they do, or if I had a proc watch I could get Pendant of the Violet Eye to go off at the same time as the Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon.

I wish I was as quick on the screen shot to get one with both of them active. But I have gotten my mana regen up to around 600 mp5 in combat with both of them procing around the same time.

So would it be worth it then?

I was under the impression Blue Dragon had a ridiculously low proc rate at level 70. Did something change?

It does have a low proc rate of 2% but it still does proc a lot.

On my Paladin I have never had a problem with not having enough +to healing.
The mana regen is really great for long fights. I can get both trinkets going at the same time I can have my mana increase while I am casting. I see that as more of a benefit than having 140 more +to healing.

I was under the impression that Paladins only have like 300mp5 while not casting in crazy good gear due to the absence of any spirit. <_<;;

IOW: Blue Dragon is terrible for them.

I don't know that it's terrible for paladins... If you spam Flash of Light it takes what 75 secs + lag + target selection time to get 50 casts? Let's say that's 100 secs so that the Blue Dragon card is active 15% of the time. That's .15 * 300mp5 = 45mp5. Hardly seems terrible unless I made a gigantic math error.

But with regard to stacking, I want to ask again, is there any evidence that the Blue Dragon regen is boosted by the Violete Eye regen? Absent that, the cards do not "stack" in the sense of benefitting each other and therefore there is no particular reason to have one active when the other is.

I didnt understand your question the first time. Its kinda like what you said,

In other words, if i have 100 MP5 out of combat, and 50 MP5 in combat. When Blue Dragon procs i get 100 MP5 in combat. But what if i had 600 MP5 out of combat?

basically what im getting at is, that when you proc Violete Eye you can get the MP5 Buff to stack your regen to around 300in/600out MP5 But with the Blue Dragon to proc at the same time you can get 600in/600out for a good amount of time and make your mana regen faster than you can blow the mana.

It probably also compares infavorably to the [Lower City Prayerbook] which is a surprisingly good trinket due to it's one minute cooldown. Though the prayerbook only really becomes good if you can afford to spam FoL a bit during a fight. The prayerbook is also fairly good for a tree druid spamming Lifeblooms. I suppose it isn't as good for Shamans or Priests though, due to the tendency to 2.5 second heals.

I loved the hell out of my prayerbook. I didn't get as much from it as a FoL spamming Pally, but it was still an awesome trinket. I wish there were more trinkets with ridiculously short cooldowns like that. It would go far towards making them more like omghawt passive trinkets.

I don't think you understand how in combat and out of combat mana regen work.


Spirit - WoWWiki, the Warcraft wiki

The Darkmoon Card is one of the worst trinkets for paladins, periods. We get ~60mp5 more from being out of the 5SR.

Putting the whole Spirit situation aside, i see my mana regen in combat equal to my mana regen out of combat. Am i seeing things? Has it been changed? Next time it procs ill check my spirit too.

I really dont understand. I do see major mana regen when this does proc. I understand it might be better for priests or druids, but I still notice a difference myself if it were to proc.

The blue dragon works off spirit.

A Paladins normal assumption when gearing is that we are never out of the 5 second rule. As such its quite possible and optimal to have 0 spirit on your gear.

If a Paladin has 200 spirit and a priest has 500 Spirit this means the Blue Dragon card is only 2/5 as good for a Paladin as it is for a priest. For the Blue Dragon to be good for a Paladin must mean its overpowered on a priest.

Now back to your seeing big numbers if you use the trinkets together. The two trinkets dont affect each other. One increases your Regen from spirit and the other from mp5. As such they are totally seperate and dont enhance each other. If the blue dragon is giving 300 mana each time it procs and the Pendant 500 Mana each time its clicked sure you see big numbers from getting 800 mana all at once but if you had used them seperately you still would have recieved 800 mana.