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02/07/07, 6:32 PM
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<Druid Trainer> Emeritus
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When does the price of my next respec actually decrease by 5g?
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02/07/07, 6:56 PM
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King Hippo
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If I remember right it decays 5g every month since you last respeced and it bottoms out at 15g.
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02/07/07, 7:10 PM
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Glass Joe
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I think it's actually a flat 5g reduction every month, I'm about 95% sure I've paid 45g less than a month after a previous respec.
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02/07/07, 7:38 PM
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#4
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Von Kaiser
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There is a bug with the respec decay that a lot of people appear to be experiencing. It should work as described above - 5g per month decay.
My mage has no problem and the decay seems to work fine - he has been respeccing quite regularly. On my shaman I had him healbot specced for raiding and once I assigned his talents after the class review, never respecced him for the entire time that the decay system had been in place. Expecting a cheap respec I went to the trainer to find that the cost was still maxed at 50g after quite a few months.
It appears to not work for everyone - its a known bug but then again so is Blink!
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02/08/07, 10:33 AM
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#5
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Von Kaiser
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When does the reduction happen? Is it based on the calendar date or does it count X amount of days?
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02/08/07, 11:53 AM
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Hero of the Horde
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Does anybody else think that a complete overhaul of the respeccing system is badly needed? Moreso than ever (and this affects some classes more than others, I hate DPS classes) choosing a spec hinders you greatly in some aspects of the game. If I want to tank something, I have to give up the ability to PVP or solo without wanting to tear out my eyes, and my only recourse is to give up viability or blow through 100g every week speccing back and forth. Blizzard has a financial interest in making sure that everyone can experience as much content as possible, so why perpetuate a system in which people are locked out based on their choice of exceling in a particular area?
One solution I've been thinking about and touting for a couple months is a double talent spec system. Basically, you would have two talent specs which you could freely switch between, maybe with a cooldown or relatively inexpensive reagent. Then you could bump up the cost of "respeccing" one of your two builds so that you still aren't able to change around one or two points on a whim.
In the end I think this may increase some fighting between classes for "offclass" gear, but I think a lot of the bitterness that people have about speccing prot or holy would go away, making the game a lot more fun for everyone, ultimately putting more money in Blizzard's pockets.
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02/08/07, 12:00 PM
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#7
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Great Tiger
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I have had the exact same idea, Dio. I disagree about making it as easy as you say - I was just thinking that I would pay a very large amount of gold to freely switch between specs - something to the tune of at least 1000G. It would be like Stables for Hunters...they have 2 slots, and it costs money to buy the slots. At least that's what I'd always imagined.
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02/08/07, 12:12 PM
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Hero of the Horde
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Yeah that would be good too, I just don't want to have to constantly justify to myself the expenditure of 100g for the temporary ability to do X.
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02/08/07, 12:18 PM
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Mr. Sandman
Night Elf Hunter
Ner'zhul
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I'm probably biased in the issue because I can get away with one spec in all areas if I really want to, but with the change in the availability of gold, I don't think even the maxed cost is terribly prohibitive anymore. Once arena season starts, I expect to be specing back and forth for PVP and PVE every week, which will cost 100g every rotation. I can recoup that gold in about an hour or so of farming, or selling one BOE blue or crafted item. Doesn't seem like a terribly high price to pay so I can have optimal talents for both PVP and PVE alike.
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02/08/07, 1:20 PM
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#10
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Von Kaiser
Human Death Knight
Burning Legion
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Since 50g is a lot less then it use to be I don't really have any problem with it, on my server a respect basically = 2 primal water or 3 fire/air which takes me about 15-20 min AT MOST to farm.
However, Switching between 2 specs would be interesting since so people can have a more PvE and a PvP build. Especially these days with less incentive to kill gruul and post karazhan bosses because of the minimal gear upgrade over blues and how arena gear looks much easier to get and more fun (raiding is fun, farming consumables is not, a trend that seems to have came back with Gruul already) more people than before that I play with have PvP builds since they will do arenas along with PvE content which will probably impact PvE progression which is too bad since thats what I enjoy the most out of wow :(.
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02/08/07, 1:25 PM
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Originally Posted by diospadre
One solution I've been thinking about and touting for a couple months is a double talent spec system. Basically, you would have two talent specs which you could freely switch between, maybe with a cooldown or relatively inexpensive reagent. Then you could bump up the cost of "respeccing" one of your two builds so that you still aren't able to change around one or two points on a whim.
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this is exactly how I would do it
it probably isn't as big a deal for most classes since heal specced hybrids can still contribute a lot in pvp, but full prot warriors are completely worthless outside a PvE group setting
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02/08/07, 1:30 PM
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#12
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Hero of the Horde
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Actually they should just make it a warrior ability, all class problems solved.
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02/08/07, 1:51 PM
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#13
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Terenas (EU)
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You could have one spec per stance :)
It would make the fear dance more exciting, that's for sure.
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02/16/07, 12:30 AM
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by diospadre
One solution I've been thinking about and touting for a couple months is a double talent spec system. Basically, you would have two talent specs which you could freely switch between, maybe with a cooldown or relatively inexpensive reagent. Then you could bump up the cost of "respeccing" one of your two builds so that you still aren't able to change around one or two points on a whim.
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Absolutely everyone would do this (obviously) and love it.
I don't understand why respeccing costs as much as it does (albeit, the recent gold devalue +static respec cost helped a lot). It hurts the fuck out of people who, for instance, do Arenas and high-end PvE in the same day.
I'm seriously considering having an "Arena day" where I respec for PvP, then respec back the next day for the rest of the PvE week. My tailoring (or your profession) will definelty cover the cost but still, why do we have to choose? :/
We've already chosen our class. Keep the hard(er) respecs for when Heroic classes finally do come out.
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02/19/07, 11:44 AM
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Druid
Stormreaver
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Back on getting this thread on track.
Something Feldia said today in the DnT irc channel basically shows how the system works.
[11:38] <Feldia> it was strange
[11:38] <Feldia> yesterday I respecced, 50g
[11:38] <Feldia> and now I just respecced this morning
[11:38] <Feldia> 45!
So instead of it being dropped 30 days after you last respec its a set calendar date with we can estimate sometime between Feb 18th to Feb 19th it drops for this month.
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02/19/07, 12:01 PM
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Hero of the Horde
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Originally Posted by Maels
Keep the hard(er) respecs for when Heroic classes finally do come out.
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yeah right
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02/19/07, 3:49 PM
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King Hippo
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Originally Posted by Cryect
So instead of it being dropped 30 days after you last respec its a set calendar date with we can estimate sometime between Feb 18th to Feb 19th it drops for this month.
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That corroborates with my experience. I did a full fire respec for the cost of 15g the day the expansion went live on the 16th. About a week and a half later when I visited the mage trainer, I checked to see how much it would cost for my next respec, and to my surprise it was 15g again, instead of the 20g I was expecting.
It may just be a set date every month, not a true 30 day cycle.
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02/19/07, 9:44 PM
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<Druid Trainer> Emeritus
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Originally Posted by Anaxo
That corroborates with my experience. I did a full fire respec for the cost of 15g the day the expansion went live on the 16th. About a week and a half later when I visited the mage trainer, I checked to see how much it would cost for my next respec, and to my surprise it was 15g again, instead of the 20g I was expecting.
It may just be a set date every month, not a true 30 day cycle.
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Not exactly. I too respecced the day TBC hit (for 15g). When I made this thread, I was at 20g. But I then respecced on or before the 14th (I know because I've been out of town since then) for 15g.
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04/05/07, 4:34 PM
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King Hippo
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/cast Rebirth
Have an interesting experience to add to the data pile. On 3/25 I paid the mage trainer a visit and rearranged my talents to drop empowered arcane missiles, to the tune of 15g. A few days later, I realized I forgot to pick up slow for the arena, and returned to a cost of 20g. Slow wasn't that important, so I came back every other day to see when the price decrease kicked in. When I checked this Tuesday 4/3, the price had dropped back to 15g. Less than two weeks between the price drop!
Going to respec within the next two days and check when the price drops again - I have a feeling the interval will be longer.
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04/05/07, 5:49 PM
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Piston Honda
Myonax
Orc Warlock
No WoW Account
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As a side note to dual Specs, the idea that a friend and I came up with was to have two spec slots. To activate the second one it Cost 500gold (10 respecs). You can switch between one of the specs only once every 24hours.
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04/05/07, 5:57 PM
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Bald Bull
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Being able to swap between 2 specs seems a bit too nice for DPS classes though. I'd be able to do Maulgar/Gruul/Kazzak/Doomwalker as MM, then end the night as BM on Magtheridon and Hydross? Then do 2v2 arenas the next day as BM before switching back to MM for free to do 5v5? All rogues could have an Imp Sap build for heroics, while keeping their primary PvE or PvP build? Every priest could be a shadow priest and holy priest depending on what the night needs? Too good to be true.
Knowing blizzard, at the very least they'd make your return to an Azeroth city to swap the specs - I can't even change my pet's skills without going to Azeroth.
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04/05/07, 6:54 PM
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Hero of the Horde
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Originally Posted by Myonax
As a side note to dual Specs, the idea that a friend and I came up with was to have two spec slots. To activate the second one it Cost 500gold (10 respecs). You can switch between one of the specs only once every 24hours.
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Hmmmm this sounds familiar....
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04/06/07, 12:13 AM
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Khadgar
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How does it work? It doesn't, in my experience. Three characters now (shaman, paladin, rogue) and never once has my respec cost gone down.
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04/06/07, 1:34 AM
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Banned
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I 100% feel the pain Dios of the having to spec to do anything else.
Warriors are now the culmination of the min\max that has been prevalent since serious raiding (aq40 -> naxx id guess) began in earnest. Knowing what I know now, I cant even fathom not picking a dps class were the game to just start today.
Prot warrior is worthless outside of a PvE setting, and this is coming from someone who has the fury gear to put on when specd fury to do well with DPS, which makes prot solo grinding a ton better but still miles behind everyone else. Before we get into the pve healer side of it, if there are 3 aspects to wow
Raid, PVP, and Solo\grinding. A prot warrior and pve healer are 10s at Raid. A warrior is a 3 at solo and the healer a 2. In pvp said healer is an 8 or 9 and that prot warrior is a 0. I understand this for game balance, it just leads to anger issues when im MT on farm content that isnt being farmed like it should be.
Old pvp always had a place for a prot warrior with the exception of AB, and even there in a real plow you could hold the BS easily or whatever. The point is there was always a place to do something if so inclined, and that is gone now. Be nice to have Arena only gear\spec\consums to totally take away the SSC clearing guild vs not in kara yet 'advantage', and to then make raid gear actually good.
Or you can give up and just have a pvp alt on a class that is generally better in pvp.
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04/06/07, 2:17 AM
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#25
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Von Kaiser
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Our warriors just say "Hey I'm prot this week, spec fury and go farm" to the other warriors. And then they switch.
But yeah, would be cool to have two specs you could switch between easily for a fee, much like two weapon sets in Diablo 2.
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