What are the stacking properties?

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As far as I'm aware, using something like the Riding Crop on top of say, an epic flying mount would just add the 10% on top of the existing speed of 100% on land and 280% in air, thereby giving you 110%/290% respectively. Riding crop doesn't stack with any other mount speed modifiers.

That sounds weird, considering that a paladin's Crusader Aura gives +20% mounted speed.

From what I've heard, Crusader Aura is supposed to stack multiplicatively. Hasn't interested me enough to test it, though.

Apologies, he later edited his post to:

Any word on crusader aura stacking with anything? (I raced to 70 with my BE pala so skipped carrot) I seriously doubt it anyway.

Didn't seem to stack while I was racing from Gadgetzan to CoT last night, anyway, only tried my carrot, though.

Shouldn't that be 280 * 1.1 = 308?

From my experience Crusader doesn't stack with anything. When you ride next to someone with a Riding Crop you go exactly the same speed.

There is also a noticable difference with the epic flying mount. I had to fly from Shadowmoon to Netherstorm once against a person without crusader, and despite starting about half of shadowmoon behind, I got there ahead by a reasonable margin.

Blizzard developers don't seem to understand the difference between percentage and percentage points. Just look at all talents that increase something by one "percentage".

Nope. You get a 280% bonus. That means you'll be going at 380% of your base speed. 3.80 * 1.1 = 4.18. That means with the Crop you're going at 418% of your base speed, which is a 318% increase.

Ah ok, I never realised that a 280% "bonus" meant it added 280% to your travel speed. Bizarre way of thinking about it. Fair enough though, congratulations to everyone who can get their head round it!

Would it be accurate to say that crusader aura puts you at, 3.80*1.2 = 4.56, meaning you get a 356% increase?

I'll be honest, I always believed that % increase was simply added to whatever speed you were getting from the mount.

If you're only flying short hops, you won't notice it much. If you're flying across an entire zone, you'll notice it quite a bit.

Personally the biggest boon was that I could replace three items (gloves w/ enchant, boots w/ spurs, Carrot) with just one (riding crop). First, that's two less items to keep in my inventory. Second, if I get dismounted in combat, I'm not stuck wearing those mid-50s level gloves and boots that I've kept around for over a year solely for the riding speed boost.

So the crop is an increase from 415% to 418% speed. And it saves two inventory slots for most people, but only one for those who are carrying around an extra pair of boots anyway (fishing boots, in my case). Also, it necessitates throwing away your Carrot :-( .

The cost-benefit calculus has never worked out in favor of mount speed trinkets/gloves/boots for me. I don't mean the gold - I mean the bag space. One bag slot for 3% mount speed (carrot)? No thanks.

I understand why the 10% riding crop is better, but 1 bag slot for +280%, or 2 bag slots for +290% (*). Personally the bag slot is worth more to me.

The epic flying mount on the other hand... that is definitely worth it.



(*) is it really multiplicative as people have assumed above? Last I checked, riding speed boosts were additive, but that was over a year ago with a buggy cosmos. Either way, the bag slot is worth more to me than 10 seconds less flying time.

If what mods like MonkeySpeed and SpeedFu tell me is true, it's not additive for items Carrot + Spurs + Gloves. I haven't tested aura or riding crop. Or I could just suck at addition I guess, that's been proven true in the past too.

Regarding the "the bag slots are worth more than the extra speed to me" argument, this is how I see it:

Epic Flying Mount Speed: 380%
with Crop: 380 x 1.1 = 418%

Speed added: 38% of normal run speed.

Speed of level 40 ground mount: 160%
Speed of level 60 ground mount: 200%

Speed added: 40% of normal run speed.

Wearing 10% worth of items for mount speed increases the speed of an epic flier by almost as much as trading a level 40 mount to a level 60 one. That's definitely more than a few seconds of travel for me. The difference in travel time between riding across EPL on a level 40 mount and riding across on a level 60 one is worth one bag slot.

It is most definately 418% with epic flying mount and crop. I've tested all the speed enchants manually long before Monkey Speed was available and my data matched what it puts out exactly when I got the mod. The two times I've had crusader aura it reported something like 456% or around there. Perhaps the aura overrides the crop, I'll have to test it now that we actually have more then one paladin.

As far as i know, Crusader Aura overrites Crop.

You are correct and the this fact has been stated quite a few times already; if you are a Pally then the crop has little value for you, especially if you are good about swapping your auras.

The aura is supposed to override everything and not stack with anything, this seems to be the results I get.

I looked up on-foot speed modifiers without detailed percentages on their tooltips and they all seem to apply an 8% speed increase.

Enchant Boots - Boar's Speed
Swift Skyfire Diamond
All the Defiler's/Highlander's feet slot items
Earthen Netherscale Boots
Explorer's Walking Stick

The exceptions were Gnomish Rocket Boots at 50% and Rocket Boots Xtreme at 300%!

I assume the 8% doesn't stack with itself from other items, but I don't have an add-on I can confirm that with.

Would make sense, the paladin talent Pursuit of Justice clearly states no stacking, and 8% speed boost. And it makes you run just as fast as a running enchant. And no, you can't stack the movement improving things mentionned above.