Our first kill was a 'freebie' but we have killed it properly since, as for access to SSC - hydross is no pushover, its a different kind of difficult than Gruul and its a resist fight.

Unless you've killed gruul when hes 'working' you might even stuggle on SSC trash, so I doubt blizzard or anyone else will care.

Speaking of SSC, since Hydross is water elemental it it safe to assume that he is frost immune ?

Only 50% of the time.. but i generally don't think that speccing frost is a good idea for a water-themed dungeon anyway

Well, makes sense of course. But its kinda getting old that mages is only DPS class that had to change spec depending on what place they are raiding.

Talk to rogues that need Badges of Justice

Its part of Blizz' wonderful idea of the dual/tri elemental spec mage and how they most likely intend to encourage it.

Whats the bets Al'ar will be fire immune or heavily resistant?

Have you felt the pain of the Elemental Shaman asked to kill a Nature-immune mob?

Doesn't get any easier than a kill without a single ground slam or hurtful strike.

My guild's frontpage has some numbers on that kill, and while we had a couple of sub 20% wipes and some single digit wipes the night before, it was very anti-climatic to have Gruul go down this way.

We felt the same, but you definitely wont kill hydros without the coordination required for gruul

As much as I've heard things like that, I've not yet found any of the luck factor in Hydross that is as wipe-worthy as Shatter, & as have done pretty much of Naxx etc co-ordination seems far more intensive there than it will ever feel for Gruul atm.

However as I have not even encounterd Hydross yet (lazy attunement people) I fully accept I may be completly wrong in this, but 4HM/Gothik, heck even C'Thun seemed to require a significantly higher amount of co-ordination and skill than Gruul has for us.

Except i talked about raiding. There a huge difference between having issues with killing air elemenats while leveling/grinding, and being almost useless on raid boss. And as far as i know there wasn't a single nature immune boss.

Last time I checked they were completely immune to nature damage (and I think faerie fire as well).

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Last night was our second time stepping into Gruul's Lair. We killed Maulgar last week in about 4 hours of trying. We killed Maulgar first time this week.

After 3 hours of wiping on Gruul with no less than 5 people dying on the first shatter on any given attempt we called it a night. Both Bigwigs and Vendetta use a timer for this fight. Vendetta gives a 10 second warning before the Shatter, not the Ground Slam. Bigwigs has an accurate timer, but only after the first Ground Slam occurs.

Having read this entire thread, many people mentioned Ground Slams being 'skipped' or not happening at all during a kill. It was my experience that he always Ground Slammed the first time between 40-50 seconds into the fight and exactly on the timer after that. He never skipped one. Has the bugginess of him not Ground Slamming been fixed or are we just lucky enough to be on the receiving end of all of them?

Is it reliable to say that the first one will always happen between something like 30-60 seconds? It seems like with some sort of warning or atleast a time at which everyone knows it might come soon, that dealing with the shatter will not be that bad. It seems to be matter of assigning people to obstacles, assigning them directions and executing.

I might also through out that throughout the entire night we only received one reverberation in case it means anything to anyone.

In the experience of 2 nights on Gruul (not saying this makes the statement true), I've found his first shatter to be completely random. We've had it happen 1 min into the fight and we've had it happen as you said 20-30 seconds into the fight. We haven't experienced an attempt with "no" shatters though.

Its just a rare bug that he decides to stop Ground Stomping at some point, not something anyone has found able to control and its not sure to happen each night for you (once per 2 nights for us).
Reverb happens at 2:00 and either every 1 or 2 mins after (never bothered timing that)

First stomp for us seems to be around 90% each time rather than a set time for us from what I recall (first ever attempt was 1:10, later ones around 40-50seconds - so the 90% thing seems viable for us)

More like imagine if: random boss A is immune to daggers. Not meele; just daggers.

He stopped doing anything but 'Grow' on our first occasion of this happening.
On the 2nd time he decided to keep doing Reverb and Hurtful however to keep things slightly more interesting.

This is an offtopic issue really however;
Thaddius was "immune" to Daggers around 50% of the time and you could have attempts where your only able to BS one polarity and SS the rest.
C'thun could be annoying in P1 and face your side alot, and in P2 sometimes I've had bugs where im unable to find any spot to BS him, even while ontop of other Rogues being able to do it.
Heigan was not enjoyable either as unless your tank was very liberal and moved him right to the end of the 'region' else you could not sit safely behind him.

Aran and Netherspite are also not really 'friendly' to Dagger Rogues due to Arans constant turning, and Netherspite beam rotations.

Honestly if they're planning to re-evaluate Gruul and Magtheridon then I'd rather wait to start putting in time on either of them. We were plannining on putting about 4 hours into Gruul this upcoming week but it seems to be a waste in its current form. We'll be in there when its ready.

I see what your saying but none of those bosses are arbitrarily immune to a certain weapon type.

For what it's worth just replace daggers with swords in my quote.

Have your dagger rogue stand in the green beam behind or to the side of Netherspite for an entire phase. By the end his Backstabs will be costing like 10 energy.