GuildOx - Guild, Character and Loot Rankings - Page 6

Polar · 12/16/10, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by suicuique

I'm one of those. At the moment wowprogress offers a "raid size registration" which is of no use for inner realm competition, when I see the competing guild being called "10 or 25 man" when all their bosses were downed on 10man vs our 25man only kills.
I dont care if 10 man is harder, easier or the same difficulty on some encounters.
What I do really care for is a clean sheet for competition with guilds in "my" size bracket.

I have just made the new 25m progress rankings go live on GuildOx. Some form of 10m ranking will follow very shortly. More details to follow.

Sonrisa · 12/17/10, 2:21 PM

My guild raids 25 man, however on Tuesday, after the raid ended and before the reset, we did a 10 man raid with some people that could stay on a bit longer, to try and get another boss or two and squeeze some extra loot to help us in our 25 man progression (we killed Valiona and Theralion). We have since killed the boss on 25 man, GuildOx however won't acknowledge it. Same thing pretty much happened with our first Halfus kill: we had lots of people online so we did a parallel 10 man that got the kill a bit earlier than our 25 man raid, so it doesn't count it as a 25 man kill. We don't even rank on 25 man for that matter.

Does killing a boss in 10 man before killing it in 25 exclude you from that boss apearing in 25 man rankings, or from 25 man rankings all together? We'd much rather not rank at all on 10 man and have proper 25 man rankings.

Polar · 12/20/10, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sonrisa

Does killing a boss in 10 man before killing it in 25 exclude you from that boss apearing in 25 man rankings, or from 25 man rankings all together? We'd much rather not rank at all on 10 man and have proper 25 man rankings.

Automated systems such as this can only accurately distinguish the number of guild members that participated in the first kill. Subsequent kills numbers cannot be accurately determined at this point given the limited data that is available to us from Blizzard. I am hoping that in future Blizzard will implement some feeds that contain data telling us whether it is a 25m or 10m kill.

Anyway, our 25man rankings and 10man rankings have been up for a little while now and seem to be performing well.

Does anyone have any further comments or issues with them? They are fully automated (not relying on self-nomination of raiding format). Anyone want to guess what criteria they are using to determine the 25/10 raid format?

Sonrisa · 12/20/10, 8:55 PM

As I stated on my previous post though, we don't appear at all on 25 man ranks (nor 10 man). Am I correct in asuming that if your guild has first kills in both formats you are excluded from ranking in both 25 and 10 man, and thus being limited to 25+10 man ranks?

As for the criteria I'm guessing you can check the time to the minute of achievements, so it's easy for you to track people within the guild with the same timestamp for the achievement, and discern between 10 and 25.

Akj · 12/21/10, 1:19 PM

Picking up items from a boss seems to be getting recorded accurately on the armory. I'm curious to know if that can be used as an indicator of raid size (5 items = 25, 2 items = 10..).

Would it be possible to add a 25 man only banner as well?

Exemplar · 12/22/10, 2:41 AM

Originally Posted by Akj

Picking up items from a boss seems to be getting recorded accurately on the armory. I'm curious to know if that can be used as an indicator of raid size (5 items = 25, 2 items = 10..).

And if 3 items are sharded (unlikely until content ages a bit) then it appears only 2 items were looted and the 25 was a 10.

Polar · 12/22/10, 7:50 AM

I have posted up the following on the GuildOx About page to explain the rankings:

How do the new GuildOx 25 and 10 rankings work?

GuildOx "implies" the raid mode on a kill by kill basis by counting the number of players in a guild when you completed your first kill. If it is more than 10 players then we tag it as a 25m kill, if it is 10 players or less then we tag it as a 10m kill. We then look at the latest three progression kills and if they are all done in 25m mode then the guild is eligible for the 25m rankings. If the last three kills are all in 10m mode then the guild is eligible for the 10m rankings. Note that all guilds are eligible for the combined 25+10 rankings.

pRo-Micha · 12/22/10, 11:31 AM

Hey,

Does refreshing the guild refresh all characters in it too? Currently it displays the message that the chars were queued, but you still seem to have to refresh them manually, one by one to get accurate Toon Ranks it seems.

Akj · 12/22/10, 2:21 PM

Originally Posted by Exemplar

And if 3 items are sharded (unlikely until content ages a bit) then it appears only 2 items were looted and the 25 was a 10.

You have to pick up an item before you shard it, which gets recorded in the armory. Sharding should not make this system fail.

ildon · 12/22/10, 5:52 PM

Originally Posted by Akj

You have to pick up an item before you shard it, which gets recorded in the armory. Sharding should not make this system fail.

Not if it's set to group loot.

Edit: To clarify, if something is DE'ed using the Blizzard roll boxes, it turns into the DE component before it's looted to the player and is not recorded by the Armory as looted by that player.

Akj · 12/23/10, 9:34 PM

Originally Posted by ildon

Not if it's set to group loot.

Guess I'll have to check out more guild armory profiles.

Regardless, my request for separate 10 & 25 man banners still stands. A banner with merged ranks isnt of much use to any group.

Exemplar · 12/24/10, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Akj

You have to pick up an item before you shard it, which gets recorded in the armory. Sharding should not make this system fail.

When we killed Argoloth on Tuesday I Master Looted (not Group Loot) the Boomkin PvP Bracers to our priest to Disenchant. It does not show in her feed. Either because it could not be worn, or possibly even if it could be worn, but was never equipped. Anjelle of the Scarlet Aristocracy. So I can confirm that at least some sharded items will not be recorded.

I agree that splitting 10 and 25 serves very legitimate purpose, simply stating that basing it off loot may not be sufficient.

Polar · 01/09/11, 9:57 PM

On a slightly different topic, I notice on my realm that people have pretty much stopped talking about Gear Score and most are talking about average item level.

Is this the case on your realms as well? I need to make a call as to how long I will keep Gear Score measures in GuildOx.

snifit7 · 01/10/11, 3:14 AM

Yes, talk of gear score has been replaced entirely by average ilvl on Frostmane (US).

morge · 01/10/11, 6:05 AM

Same on proudmoore(US) there are a couple who still look at gscore but they are by far in the minority.