Bad assumptions, not my implications. You didn't like my choice of wording. Sorry. You can make it nice and PC and the message is still the same. PvE has no drama backlash since you are up against a computer. PvP does for reasons I don't need to reiterate. I only gave one example of why someone may not. Several other good examples have also been provided. Please do not stoop into a poor assumption that I make this claim for all who do not find PvP to be their cup of tea.

PvE has no drama backlash? That sounds like someone has never raided.

When I bought WoW, I said to myself - you know what would be cool (in my completely nerdly way)? Having a great game to sit down with 4 pals with at nights and go through a dungeon with. What use did I have for a PVP server ruleset? To you, it premises itself in some sort of PVP decision, but it's more like this - I drive a wonderful, bottom of the line car. It gets me where I want to go, it will survive 10-15 years, it's not pricy. Why would I buy a jeep or a ferrari or an SUV? Those options simply never occur to me, much in the way for many players, PVP is like optional snow tires in Hawaii.

Not that this is a personal argument, at all - I've since experienced a PVP raiding guild (much like many people have taken a test drive of a ferrari) - but your whole premise seems situated in the fallacy of the observer. Just like many people on this forum believe the majority of WoW are raiders (and why not, because everyone here is, it's a wonderful feedback loop of a self selected sample), you believe everyone looked at the game from a gank or not good enough to gank perspective.

Cat, I think their main point here is that you're coming down hard on the PvE carebears (no, those aren't your words, but I can totally see you pointing at it with your first comment in this thread). Considering you're on a board that discusses a lot of endgame PvE raiding, I would be surprised if you did NOT hit a nerve with your style of posting.

I'm sure a lot of people here enjoy a game of PvP but as was said, the thing you call "skill" I consider to be third in line after "which class" and "tactical insight" in this game right now. I will appreciate someone managing to hit the right buttons to engage or counter a set of moves but separate player skill is more at home in first person shooters and strategy games. I do not consider a PvP player unskilled in PvE and vice versa -they're totally different levels and variety of playstyles and frankly I find it ignorant to insult PvE-minded people as you're trying to do here.

This thread has gotten really stupid and doesn't seem to be about the topic anymore at all.

This thread has taken an interesting turn. The thing that amuses me is that it feels like Blizzard is trying very very hard to blur the divisive lines in WoW in many ways (PvP vs PvE, hardcore raider vs casual, crafting items vs raiding items, etc) to create a more diverse environment where some sort of happy medium is attainable. Yet after all the effort to allow for multiple options and playstyles, we still end up fighting with each other over these very differences.

Honestly... except for the fact that many of us hold high-end PvE raiding near and dear to our hearts, how exactly does it hurt raiders that PvP is going to finally have some interesting and potentially exciting opportunities available?

On topic:

Has anyone heard how issues like disconnections will be handled in a one-shot/no "do overs" competitive situation like this?

This thread is now so far off-topic it is stupid.

Either back on topic, without the veiled insults / slights, or I see just what the max. length of ban I can set is.

I might scrape together a casual group just to start banking points for some upgrades but tbh im all played out for wow pvp... I haven't even queued up once for the new bg.

I just cant convince myself that entering small square maps to fight 5 random classes and specs is dynamic and spontaneous.

To clarify this is coming from a player whos previous gaming was mostly rooted in fps and rts games and only started wow for the potential of some epic pvp warcraft style battles. That didn't really pan out like some of us expected huh?

ps pvp isn't beating someone in unimaginative maps and scenarios and strutting your ecock on forums. Add some real objectives strategy and thinking and we might get closer to some real intense pvp.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia or Intel jump in to sponsor the "playoff" portion of the tournaments, which I think will be played on a private, Blizzard run LAN server in a huge, CPL-style nerdome. This is going to be huge, and no big, relevant corporation is going to miss out on the marketing opportunity.

Don't quote me on this, though. ;p

The fact that I'm protection specced really limits the enjoyment I see myself getting out of the arena. I guess I can respec once a week to a MS build, put on my blue/green mix of crappy DPS gear I've acquired, play 10 games with a spec I haven't even used in a PvE environment in a month or two, and then spec back. Now I'm looking at the charter cost, cost to respec twice, and being unable to really contribute if my team decides they'd like to play a game later in the week.

So, while I'd like to play arenas, I expect I'll just go in with relatively low expectations. Maybe form a 2v2 team, stay with my current spec, screw around a few games each week, expect to lose a lot (well, hopefully I'll reach a point where the people I'm playing are bad enough that even a Protection warrior can mop them up), and maybe by the end of the season I can grab a piece of gear or two.

100g/week on top of repair costs, attempting to buy an epic mount, etc. is just probably not going to happen for me.

Are there any protection warriors (or um...I don't know other specs that are quite as bad in the arena, but I'm sure they exist...) who plan on making an effort to do arena games?

So back on topic..

I keep hearing that you get points each week for the team that got the most points, NOT for all 3 (assuming you are in all 3 types of teams). Anyone knows if that's true?

Also from what I hear, the way this is setup, a 5v5 that does poorly will give more points than a 2v2 that does fine, in which case is there any reason to get into teams other than 5v5 ?

I couldn't find the blue post, but you definitely can only get points from one of your brackets and it will be from the bracket which you'd earn the most points.


A 5v5 team requires the right class mix to show up week after week. That has many logistical challenges. A 2v2 team could be you and your buddy and therefore very easy to put together.

Well, you actually get 60% for 2-man, 80% for 3-man, but you are correct that only 5vs5 is really worth playing. I think the idea is that Blizzard realizes that 2vs2 is impossible to balance, and it wants people to play 5vs5, which it sees as the most competitive.

Right, I've had enough of this thread, it's merits have been low from the start, but lest some people end up with long bans, it's essentially over.