So, we killed this guy too. I'd love to meet the Horde guild that can beat him with a balanced party (5/5/5/5/5/5/5/5 or a reasonable approximation thereof). I'd venture so far as to say that it's not (currently) possible, but I hope someone will prove me wrong. (We had 6 warriors, by the way, but were skewed in other areas.)

I really like the concept behind the fight. I know it wasn't the original intent (how could anyone ever imagine that a tauntable Broodlord would be challenging in the slightest? throw in disarmable too, and... wow), but I'll take it. Broodlord himself is a simple mob, but his abilities lead to a dynamic seen in no other fight in the game. It's pretty cool. However, by its very nature, that dynamic tends to favor certain classes over others. And furthermore, I suspect that if this fight was actually tested in its current form, it was done with an Alliance guild. Blessing of Salvation (and paladin heal aggro in general) makes it an entirely different fight. If Vaelastrasz had 1.5mil hitpoints for Horde guilds, but only 1mil for Alliance guilds, everyone would laugh at the absurdity of it. But that's effectively what the Broodlord fight boils down to. Over the course of learning the fight, probably two-thirds of our wipes would have been kills if we'd had Blessing of Salvation. That doesn't seem right to me.

Anyway, the loot:

We'd been joking leading up to the kill that Venomous Totem was going to drop. When it did, I can't say I was surprised. If this thing had a 2-minute cooldown, it'd be mediocre. With a 5-minute cooldown, it's garbage. Whoever made this item: Parse out the DPS benefit from using Venomous Totem every time the timer resets, under optimal conditions, and compare it to the DPS benefit of equipping a Mark of the Guard Captain, a green trinket, instead. You'll be entertained by the results.

No Broodlord screenshot since it's just another misshapen dragonkin corpse lying on a nest. Instead, something a bit more interesting from the next room.



Hmm, on second thought, can we go back and spend more time in the whelp room?


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BAM!


Thought I forgot, didn't you?

Look at all those noobs and thier OEBs

i was there i helped

This fight is pretty much garbage. Giving a mob a 100% deagro ability and making him untauntable is pretty stupid way to make the fight hard. All it does is force guilds to use an extremely unbalanced group to compensate.

FoH put it better:

Where's the Kaubel flex shot? I was there and saw him do the emote WHY AM I DENIED SEEING THIS!?

Suprise! Socar complaining about a fight in our victory thread. ^_^ New and exciting.

This time he's acurately describing the encounter, he's just not as nice illustrative as gurg.

I didn't complain about the razorgore encounter because it's actually a fun fight when it's not lagging. It's just crap like death touch and 100% deagro that pisses me off.

Also battlegrounds, the quality of improvement with priest epic gear, and probably fluffy kittens. Do you have fluffy kittens, Socar?

Edit- I do need to say that I like the design. Fights with quirks are awesome. It's not shit mindlessly thrown in to make an encounter hard, it adds an element that you just don't get otherwise.

Maybe the four years of EQ mobs spoiled me and things that are different aren't really immediately awesome.

This particular fight is pretty dumb in its current form.

Not denying it, but did you raid in EQ? They really were all the same with simple strategies tossed in such as "Avoid this AE." and "People without ranged attacks go stand in that corner because this guy has an AE charm." or "You have to farm bane weapons. We only have two. You guys stand in that corner and avoid his AE." which is technically a mix of the two previous strategies.

I am out of the loop. I need to ask in a more private location what skewing there was in the groups, because I don't know what we took more of or what.

Oh, fair enough.

As I said in my initial post, I like the underlying concept. But the fight needs to be tuned.

Kazzak is a simple fight that, when first introduced, was a new concept and a nice twist on the MC-style "ok just focus on keeping the tank up and we can slowly burn him down" approach to bosses. It's a race against a clock. But if they'd given him, say, 2 million hitpoints, the fight would be impossible and therefore be pretty retarded. Similarly, the actual numbers they've plugged in for the Broodlord fight, in terms of how frequently Broodlord uses some of his abilities and the magnitude of those abilities' effects, how many hit points he has, and so forth, appear to be just plain off.

If you take a group comprised of 5 of every class, and you execute flawlessly, never once losing a tank to his 6k Mortal Strike, and keeping your aggro perfectly balanced among all members of the raid, you will wipe at around 30%. That's a problem.

Ever fought Emperor Ssra in everquest? Well this is exactly the same fight. For those that dont know him, go look at his abilities here As for me complaining about priest loot, there is a reason I passed on the trans boots that dropped. It is a fucking sidegrade.

edit: I am also not the only one complaining about BGs: http://forums.elitistjerks.com/index.php?showtopic=2949

He was so, I have screenshots. :o

It we Kaubel, Moch and I.

Well I didn't recall him saying a single thing during or after the fight. He must have been groggy.

Emp Ssra? Dude of course I did. He was not the same fight, he just had death touch. This guy doesn't even death touch he just has a huge mortal strike. Ssra didn't have a deaggro or anything. On Ssra fights however my job as an SK was to offtank so that's no big deal.

FYI I wiped a raid :unsure:

Then I got made fun of a lot and called a fag and then they wouldn't let me come anymore because I was a loose cannon. Even though I promised to bring snacks. :(

Dude, this is even more retarded than an Everquest fight.

It is, but it's started.. What do you want me to do about it?

argh i cant believe i missed out on that sweet rogue loot

good work guys!!

Kaubel you should wear your cenarion helm in the flex shots, at least till they replace the stormrage placeholders.