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Old 04/29/06, 10:22 PM   #1
♦ Praetorian
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Mal'Ganis


Pimp hat. Really fun fight. Glad I'm not a rogue. More later.

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Old 04/29/06, 10:25 PM   #2
• Crying Llama
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Mal'Ganis
Fuck that fight


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Old 04/29/06, 10:26 PM   #3
• Tehax
Pretty Pony
 
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Praetorian,April 29th, 2006 @ 8:22PM



Pimp hat. Really fun fight. Glad I'm not a rogue.
I am an ugly orc.

EDIT: I AM PRETTY, YOUR FRAUDULENT POST EDITING JUST SHOWS HOW JEALOUS YOU ARE

Edit: He is pretty.

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Old 04/29/06, 10:27 PM   #4
• Wodin
Thoroughly Inebriated
 
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Crying Llama,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:25PM
Fuck that fight
Quoting dis

If you want to make more fights like this give rogues autoshot so I can go afk or watch TV or whatever it is hunters do

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Old 04/29/06, 10:32 PM   #5
Steelfleece
Soda Popinski
 
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Mal'Ganis
I tank good ok

If you aren't a goblin, why not?
If you are a goblin you rule

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Old 04/30/06, 12:00 PM   #6
XI-
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Wodin,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:27PM
Originally Posted by Crying Llama,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:25PM
Fuck that fight
Quoting dis

If you want to make more fights like this give rogues autoshot so I can go afk or watch TV or whatever it is hunters do
You know that rock on the side of the room. Go sit on it, and chug a greater NR pot, have someone yell when he gets to 21%, you can run in and suicide, chug another pot, and hope not to die running away :P.

Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
in before JOHN FUCKING MADDEN

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Old 04/30/06, 1:22 PM   #7
Krag
Don Flamenco
 
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Runetotem (EU)
Congratulations. Remember you have to kill C'Thun this reset for him to be affected by Ouru's death ;)

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Old 04/30/06, 2:43 PM   #8
Steelfleece
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Mal'Ganis
Topic promises more later but fails to deliver

If you aren't a goblin, why not?
If you are a goblin you rule

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Old 04/30/06, 5:43 PM   #9
Renew
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When we did him the other day we had Rogues in full time ;O He isn't really healing intensive either, so I don't see what the big thing is with Rogue's wanting to go AFK during the fight.

Edit: They weren't top DPS though that's for sure, but they were in full time contributing.

Confidence is not Arrogance.

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Old 04/30/06, 10:12 PM   #10
Steelfleece
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Renew,April 30th, 2006 @ 3:43PM
When we did him the other day we had Rogues in full time ;O He isn't really healing intensive either, so I don't see what the big thing is with Rogue's wanting to go AFK during the fight.

Edit: They weren't top DPS though that's for sure, but they were in full time contributing.
Alliance

If you aren't a goblin, why not?
If you are a goblin you rule

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Old 05/01/06, 12:43 AM   #11
Blacken
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Korgath
Originally Posted by XI-,April 30th, 2006 @ 11:00AM
Originally Posted by Wodin,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:27PM
Originally Posted by Crying Llama,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:25PM
Fuck that fight
Quoting dis

If you want to make more fights like this give rogues autoshot so I can go afk or watch TV or whatever it is hunters do
You know that rock on the side of the room. Go sit on it, and chug a greater NR pot, have someone yell when he gets to 21%, you can run in and suicide, chug another pot, and hope not to die running away :P.
ROGUE ROCK FOR LIFE

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Old 05/01/06, 1:27 AM   #12
Renew
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Originally Posted by Steelfleece,April 30th, 2006 @ 9:12PM
Originally Posted by Renew,April 30th, 2006 @ 3:43PM
When we did him the other day we had Rogues in full time ;O He isn't really healing intensive either, so I don't see what the big thing is with Rogue's wanting to go AFK during the fight.

Edit: They weren't top DPS though that's for sure, but they were in full time contributing.
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Yes... We can talk about it more when the strat is widely known I guess... Don't really see a faction difference besides the overpowered Blessings though ;)

Confidence is not Arrogance.

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Old 05/01/06, 1:41 AM   #13
♦ Praetorian
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That's basically it. It's more the fact that aggro is so touchy at times (less so with BoS) and certain events can happen in conjunction with each other such that a rogue in melee range can instantly die at nearly any time in the fight. They can certainly contribute something, but it's so not worth the very very high risk of losing them. If they're going to go out in a blaze of glory, better to have it at 20% than at 60%.

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Old 05/01/06, 5:46 PM   #14
Louie
Bald Bull
 
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Wodin,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:27PM
Originally Posted by Crying Llama,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:25PM
Fuck that fight
Quoting dis

If you want to make more fights like this give rogues autoshot so I can go afk or watch TV or whatever it is hunters do
beer

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Old 05/01/06, 5:59 PM   #15
Daveth
Glass Joe
 
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Aegwynn
I think this encounter is very well done, fun to execute and learn but as a rogue, it is too unforgiving. Are we there just to take a space from a ranged DPS class? Perhaps they could have made the bugs not cc-able, with lower HP so we could serve some purpose. Or it could be like Huhuran where you need a certain amount of people eating the AE nature damage. I can't really think of another encounter where a certain class is such a liability, since having another ranged DPS would be a huge upgrade.

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Old 05/01/06, 6:46 PM   #16
ex-sheepy
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Louie,May 1st, 2006 @ 4:46PM
Originally Posted by Wodin,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:27PM
Originally Posted by Crying Llama,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:25PM
Fuck that fight
Quoting dis

If you want to make more fights like this give rogues autoshot so I can go afk or watch TV or whatever it is hunters do
beer
B)


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Old 05/01/06, 6:53 PM   #17
♦ Praetorian
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Daveth,May 1st, 2006 @ 5:59PM
I think this encounter is very well done, fun to execute and learn but as a rogue, it is too unforgiving. Are we there just to take a space from a ranged DPS class? Perhaps they could have made the bugs not cc-able, with lower HP so we could serve some purpose. Or it could be like Huhuran where you need a certain amount of people eating the AE nature damage. I can't really think of another encounter where a certain class is such a liability, since having another ranged DPS would be a huge upgrade.
Yeah, it's a bit irritating to have that sort of class imbalance on a fight as hard as this one. Yeah, rogues aren't very useful against Shazzrah in MC either, but who cares? it's Shazzrah.

On other fights in AQ, Blizzard has done a great job of allowing classes that seemingly aren't so useful in a given fight at first glance to excel in niche areas that make their contributions valuable overall. Sartura is a moving blender and rogues can't DPS her 3/4 of the time, but when she becomes stunnable, they're really helpful. Viscidus seemingly relies on mages, to the point that people who hadn't really figured the fight out yet called bullshit and blamed Blizzard for making such a mage-intensive fight, when, in reality, rogues are amazing for shattering Viscidus and killing the globs to actually damage him. And so forth.

But when you wipe to Ouro at 1% and you see that each of your four hunters did 160k+ damage while each rogue did 60k and half of them had to be battle-rezzed midway through, that sucks.

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Old 05/01/06, 7:13 PM   #18
Lord BEEF
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Mal'Ganis
I find it pretty amusing that hunters used to complain all the time in beta how they were useless in 5 man encounters, and some actually wanted the group size increased to 6 so that they could actually get a spot. (Hunters were weak at the time so many of the complaints were valid, though some still complained).

For raiding, the "holy trinity" is really Tanks, Healers, Hunters. It seems with most new boss fights, often times the best way to learn them is to throw more hunters at it.

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Old 05/01/06, 8:17 PM   #19
Zellyn
Bald Bull
 
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by sheepy,May 1st, 2006 @ 5:46PM
Originally Posted by Louie,May 1st, 2006 @ 4:46PM
Originally Posted by Wodin,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:27PM
Originally Posted by Crying Llama,April 29th, 2006 @ 9:25PM
Fuck that fight
Quoting dis

If you want to make more fights like this give rogues autoshot so I can go afk or watch TV or whatever it is hunters do
beer
B)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.a...e&T=1093521&P=1

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<08-07-09 02:09>[Velth] This is the behavior of a benefactor of the EJ forums?

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Old 05/02/06, 12:07 AM   #20
Anglakel
Don Flamenco
 
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<LoH>
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Zellyn,May 1st, 2006 @ 7:17PM
That thread is actually going well at the moment. :-)

http://www.ctprofiles.net/1689539

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Old 05/02/06, 12:33 AM   #21
Zellyn
Bald Bull
 
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Anglakel,May 1st, 2006 @ 11:07PM
Originally Posted by Zellyn,May 1st, 2006 @ 7:17PM
That thread is actually going well at the moment. :-)
If by "going well", you mean on page 10, then yes.

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