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Old 07/20/08, 10:31 AM   #136
bowezed
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Rivendare
Hi, sorry if this is off topic but I just specced survival a day or so a go.. is it the same as Beast mastery shot wise? (Steady auto timing) or should I throw in stings / arcane anything?

Help before my raid time (9:30 EST) would be much appreciated guys, thanks.


Also, unbuffed my agi is currently around 900-920, is that good enough (i should be over 1000 with elixir/food/buffs)

thanks guys.

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Old 07/20/08, 7:45 PM   #137
pwnsauce123
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Paladin
 
Terokkar
:)

yea...i think that could be my awnser..any other tips that i could use for my hunter?
any other macros or just the steady shot macro?

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Old 07/20/08, 8:16 PM   #138
United10
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Lightninghoof
Healadin questions

I have been trying to peruse the myriad of posts in this thread and gain some insight into how to be a great healadin. I started healing for our arena team and hadn't ever done it before. I soon began healing for 5 mans and eventually Kara. After reading through here I noticed mention of using different ranks of HL. I am currently using Grid with Clique for my healing and only using FL and HL at their highest ranks. I'm trying to figure out what I need to do to become better. I currently have just under 2000 +healing with about 25% crit chance and 149 mp5. My haste rating is at 14. I primarily heal Kara, 5 man heroics, and arena. I'm trying to understand what stats, gear and gems I should be looking for, particularly post Kara. Most of my gear is PVP Arena gear with a few other pieces added in for my PVE set. Is it necessary for me to start stacking haste? Is spell crit a better stat to stack for PVP? Should I be getting a separate PVE set?
As far as stacking haste, it appears that stacking haste is done with the intention of using a downgraded HL. I am very new to this thread and the theorycrafting behind healadins, so please dont be too harsh on me. I'm just trying to get some ideas here on what stats I need to look for post-Kara.

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Old 07/20/08, 8:31 PM   #139
Dra
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Silvermoon (EU)
Originally Posted by Avitus View Post
Now just to avoid any misunderstandings: I spec holy frequently and I welcome any buffs we get, however I see these changes (if they make it to live, I know this is still very early beta) equivalent to a death sentence to retribution spec in 25 man raids.

Ideas, comments?
I have an idea. Go to the goddamn WoW-forums! These forums are getting worse by the day because of posts like yours and the assholes that actually argue with the people that post them.

I thought the "rule" here was to post facts and theories that have been and can be verified and tested in-game. Especially the last three days the oh-my-god-the-sky-is-falling-what-will-we-do to actually useful information ratio has been way too fucking much to one. So yes, I'm going to just hi-jack your post to urge the moderaters to do something about it. Blow me.

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Old 07/20/08, 8:49 PM   #140
IKT
Glass Joe
 
Ikt
Human Warlock
 
Aman'Thul
I haven't had any issues with omen in a loooong time, thus I have no reason to tryout DTM.

Going back to KTM would feel like going back to 2005.

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Old 07/20/08, 9:14 PM   #141
Samiel
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Steamwheedle Cartel
Originally Posted by Antiock View Post
Actually, reports are suggesting that Art of War is massively overpowered. The "double damage" seems to be applied after every other multiplier, and its not the same as a critical strike. There have been Judgements of Command for well over 10k on stunned targets.

Also, even without Art of War, judgements are doing a lot more damage, and with Judgements of the Wise's mana return scaling with damage, even if it is random it's not going to be negligible. Same with the heal from Divine Storm.
That's a lot of damage, heh, 10K, maybe people will actually fear a Ret Paladin now

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Old 07/20/08, 9:53 PM   #142
Tictaklin
Glass Joe
 
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Uldum
I'm going to assume this has been posted already in this thread, not sure if it's been thoroughly discussed. This is only regarding Sunwell, +Haste or +Heal? I've looked at many wws reports of KJ kills and there is really no winner between paladins using max heal/crit and paladins using max haste, even one's who disregard socket bonus's. I began using Haste when I saw alot of Sunwell gear had passive haste on it. Also there was a thread on SK gaming's site where their pallies really support haste in Sunwell. They talked about how Sunwell isn't a FoL instance, the raid damage is too high, Haste increased their HPS by quite some bit, and so on. I'm wondering what everyone else is thinking, and if there are any numbers to prove one way or another. I'm just confused because like I said before I've seen wws reports where the pallies are 1 and 2 on the charts and are gemmed for max heal/crit and other reports where the pallies are 1 and 2 but are gemmed for max haste. Loot FTW was my best example of max heal paladins who are #1 and 2 on a KJ kill. Here is the wws Wow Web Stats

Here is my armory link if you think there is something I can do to improve myself. It's 221 Haste btw. I'm aiming for 300 to get a 1.67 Holy Light cast with Light's Grace up. The World of Warcraft Armory

I just looked a few pages back, there is alot of talk about it. I'll look again there.

Last edited by Tictaklin : 07/20/08 at 10:07 PM.

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Old 07/21/08, 12:52 AM   #143
Shaven
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Crushridge
well i tried 4 piece t5 + 4 piece t6 on illidan tonight...

and...



yeah, im maimer...

no shadowpriest in the raid, no elemental shaman.

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Old 07/21/08, 7:18 AM   #144
Ox539
Banned
 
none
Blood Elf Druid
 
No WoW Account (EU)
Originally Posted by Jheherrin View Post
Can we keep WotLK discussions to the WotLK Enhancement thread please?
It just confuses the issue if posted here.
While we're at it: is there any way I could get the source code of Y0!'s simulator? I really would like to try and extend it for WotLK...

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Old 07/21/08, 8:19 AM   #145
Evoroth
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Kul Tiras (EU)
Epic guide. Has really helped me in learning to be a successful tank from nothing.

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Old 07/21/08, 6:18 PM   #146
Kanaka
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Shadow Council
hi i was wondering if you guys can tellme what u think . atm im 41/20/0 and love the bm spec but i think i can do more even tho i dont raid with a guild anymore. my main plan is to get the most dps i can no matter what.
armory link The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 07/22/08, 4:18 AM   #147
Argavaine
Von Kaiser
 
Human Paladin
 
Aegwynn (EU)
I don’t know about you but I have a big déjÃ* vu. I think there is a big paladin development problem.
Before a new expansion arrives some devs have to decide where the classes should go:

Dev1: Paladins are weak now but they have to keep some weaknesses and some class mechanics should stay unique so lets tweak some talents and improve paladins strengths in order to make them competitive with other classes.

Dev2: ok

Dev3: ok

So patchnotes arrive and some paladins say WTF BLIZ ? Where is our snare/interrupt/MS/purge etc … other paladins say to them that they are just a bunch of some crybabies and the new improvements and damage are tremendous.

So the Beta arrives and other classes realize that Paladins can sometimes one shot them with their huge burst damage (ok its always to early for real testing lvl 60 for BC and lvl 70 for WotLK but nevertheless).

Other classes: WTF Bliz?

Devs: ok you are right

Paladins: that hurts but you are right one shoting should not happen.

So devs have to reduce our burst/damage ….. and here we go now ….



What do you think?

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Old 07/22/08, 11:05 AM   #148
alwyzbkillin
 
Undead Priest
 
Thunderhorn
is there a HOLY WotLK discussion. I see one for Shadow and Disc but not one for holy..

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Old 07/22/08, 11:29 AM   #149
alwyzbkillin
 
Undead Priest
 
Thunderhorn
Tyvm..

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Old 07/22/08, 11:34 AM   #150
Cynex
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Hellfire (EU)
Hello,

I have been reading this post for pretty long time. I have rolled balance spec in my new guild, so i am kinda new comer to moonkin dps. I would like to ask some experienced people to check my armory link (The World of Warcraft Armory) and tell if i am doing anything wrong, and what should i do in the future. I am pushing 1600 dps on brutallus which doesnt satisfy me. Any tips, recomends are apreciated .

Thanks in advance, Cynex.

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