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Old 02/13/09, 7:56 AM   #2476
rocketsabre
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Gnome Warlock
 
Gorefiend
I have yet to be in a raid that does not have a DK in it, therefor i will just say this, CoA is by far Greater then CoE. CoE is not much of a Dps increase, as long as you don't clip CoA it will be more dps no matter what fight you are in.

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Old 02/13/09, 8:04 AM   #2477
Shurik
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Aegwynn (EU)
Originally Posted by dastrix
Help needed
Your gear isn't too good yet. So don't be confused by getting out damaged in a five man. If the Paladin had some decent gear, it isn't too much of a suprise, that he deals quite well. Depending on your groups DPS you should consider AE on packs with 3 or more mobs but as you have very little haste, your Blizzard lacks a lot of damage.

Also, you have way too much hit rating. In that setup you had like more than 20% hit. You only need 17% on a level 83 / boss level target. Get rid of some hitrating, ie. wear that t7 robe.

Also, you have 3 blue sockets, you only need 2. Also try to get that socket bonus in your shoulders by taking a SP + crit gem.

Your gear is pretty well enchanted and socketed but you can get a replacement for almost any slot any day in any instance. Seriously, spend your money on flasks and haste pots and save those for 25 mans. Buy only green quality gems for a lot less gold and take the cheaper enchants. Once you have at least epic heroic or 10 man gear on those slots you can start to enchant and socket them properly.

Don't give up after just one heroic, I'm sure you're gonna be fine.


Edit: Just saw you also have the t7 10man gloves. You should definitly wear the robe as well, the set bonus is going to save you a lot of trouble.

Success isn't a result of spontaneous combustion. You must set yourself on fire.
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Old 02/13/09, 8:06 AM   #2478
Orgath
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Kargath (EU)
Originally Posted by rocketsabre View Post
I have yet to be in a raid that does not have a DK in it, therefor i will just say this, CoA is by far Greater then CoE. CoE is not much of a Dps increase, as long as you don't clip CoA it will be more dps no matter what fight you are in.
Which has been proven wrong by the math above...
If there is no debuff of that type on the mob, CoE is supperior to CoA.
But of course DK availability usualy makes that point mood.

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Old 02/13/09, 8:06 AM   #2479
mrmr
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Troll Hunter
 
Terenas (EU)
ehi

Could anyone update "Sorren's Easy Rotation"?
was a nice mod to visualize shots' history :P

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Old 02/13/09, 8:10 AM   #2480
Druidmanz
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Tauren Druid
 
Lightning's Blade (EU)
Originally Posted by Pike View Post
I think drood focus shows the timer for any toons' mangle debuff on the target. I'm thinking it might not keep track if anyone has trauma up or not however.

Ty, gonna give it a try Trauma is -_- cause we don't have any arms warriors

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Old 02/13/09, 8:21 AM   #2481
rocketsabre
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Gnome Warlock
 
Gorefiend
a good Dk is gonna use i think its called ebon plague in their rotation, its actually a dps increase for them saving the lock from having to use CoE, and as i stated when i raid i always have a Dk in it, i have tested this and as far as everyone in the raid there was no dps increase from me using CoE because it does not stack with the Dk's plague, only thing that was noticable was a dps lose on my behalf,

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Old 02/13/09, 8:22 AM   #2482
Shurik
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Aegwynn (EU)
Originally Posted by Phianri View Post
Does anyone raid as fire anymore? I have been deep frost for over a year, LOVE it to death, will eventually get back to it but am curious because of FFB and its reputation as top-dog on DPS 'so I hear'. 18/53 I can see it but im not exactly sure as to how to spec fire anymore lol. Even though I levelled 1-70 as fire!
From its playstyle 18/53 FB is exactly the same as 53/18 FFB and if you had read any of the threads here you'd probably have a better idea of how to spend your talent points.

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Old 02/13/09, 8:37 AM   #2483
Fierra
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Fenris
Originally Posted by Doomglazer View Post
Been a long time reader of the forums and helped me alot.
Since i'm working on a mac i can't use the spreadsheet so therefor i have a few questions regarding my gemming enchanting and talents.
First of here is my armory profile Doomglazer
First question is about gemming and enchanting.
1)The question i have do i need to gem absolutly everything with agi and also enchant everything with agi when possible? If hit capped ofc.
The second question is my talent build.
2)Will i gain dps if i take 3 points from IaotH and put them in Improved Stings and then take 1 point from carefull aim and put it into AS.
Still need to be hit capped ofc.

Also whas looking at some Patchwork WWS logs im always hoovering around 4k dps what is low to my believes.
During these fight im in reach of totems using the es-ss-ss-es rotation and putting up stings and hunter marks when needed. I dont know how you guys brake the 5k dps mark but i rly would like to know. Im also w8ting when i get a LnL proc for the ES to wear of then putting up another one so i'm not overlapping them.
Any suggestions are welcome
1) - Read both this thread and the gemming thread in the hunter forum; you should be able to find the answer fairly well!
2) - Use the Hunter DPS spreadsheet, also located on another thread within the hunter forum. Without knowing your exact talent spec, current gear, and playstyle, there really is no way to know how any individual talent will affect you; but the DPS Spreadsheet can simulate it pretty well, and is fairly easy to use after you've tinkered with it for a bit.

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Old 02/13/09, 8:47 AM   #2484
Whistles
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Gnome Rogue
 
Staghelm
Originally Posted by ghost8804 View Post
Hello everyone!

I'm here on behalf of a lady that's in the same guild as I am. She's recently hit 80, and wanted to switch to Fury (TG Spec). She came to me with questions about a solid rotation to use for that spec. Aside from my Pally, I'm all cloth toons so I know absolutely nothing about Warriors. I was hoping someone could show me a solid rotation for this particular spec so that I may relay the information to her. Any help is appreciated =)

*If this has been stated in an earlier post, I apologize for overlooking it.*
WW > BT > Bloodsurge proc Slam

Just use that priority and you have most of it down. Heroic Strike over 50 or 60 rage when you aren't dumping it soon.

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Old 02/13/09, 9:11 AM   #2485
Thrawnseg
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Mug'thol
I'm not sure how reliable this information is, but a guildmates brother used to be a major GM and got a email that the target date for Ulduar was 3 months. Not being or knowing any GMs personally, does Blizz actually email GMs information like this?

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Old 02/13/09, 9:12 AM   #2486
Celfydd
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Earthen Ring (EU)
Originally Posted by Fierra View Post
Originally Posted by Doomglazer View Post
Since i'm working on a mac i can't use the spreadsheet
2) - Use the Hunter DPS spreadsheet
The EJ Catch-22.

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Old 02/13/09, 9:16 AM   #2487
allfours
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Orc Hunter
 
Wildhammer (EU)
new to sv

Hi Guys,

ive only played bm spec before so come the big bm nerf i now find myself trying to learn sv through this and tka etc.

as a button mashing bm i found it a little easer to mash a button for some action and throw in manual explosive, aimed and kills as and when i can, so as a starter i use -

/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Kill Shot
/cast Kill Command
/castrandom Explosive Shot, Explosive Shot, Explosive Shot, Steady Shot, Aimed Shot
/cast Rapid Fire
/cast Blood Fury

then throwing serpent sting and manual es, ks and aimed.

for glyphs am using -
steady shot
mend pet
serpent sting
revive pet
IAotH
Feign death

theres a recent wws here - Wow Web Stats

For my level of gear however i do feel im doing something wrong somewhere, i was advised to get a little extra haste so have a +16 haste, im hit capped but just dont seem to be hitting the same figures other sv hunters are getting.

I also find it a little confusing that my 2-18-51 spec uses sniper training but then to proc LnL i have to run in and out, is the loss in dps doing this run in, trap, run out past 30 yards worth it, or have i missed something somewhere.....

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Old 02/13/09, 9:23 AM   #2488
Diison19
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Eonar
Fallen Crusader proc

Sorry I cant not search due to advertisements blocking the search window.

I wanted to know if anyone knew the proc rate of Fallen Crusader runeforging enchant?

If anyone with a lot of strength doing DW likes FC on both the MH and OH weapon.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 02/13/09, 9:42 AM   #2489
Jerem
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Les Sentinelles (EU)
Originally Posted by Thrawnseg View Post
I'm not sure how reliable this information is, but a guildmates brother used to be a major GM and got a email that the target date for Ulduar was 3 months. Not being or knowing any GMs personally, does Blizz actually email GMs information like this?
I really don't see what Blizzard (or any company for that matter) would have to gain by emailing one of their former employees some information their policy has always tried to keep as vague as possible (so that they wouldn't be held responsible for not respecting deadlines or customer's expectations).

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Old 02/13/09, 9:49 AM   #2490
Gozardina
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Dalvengyr
Originally Posted by allfours View Post
...as a button mashing bm i found it a little easer to mash a button for some action and throw in manual explosive, aimed and kills as and when i can, so as a starter i use -

/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Kill Shot
/cast Kill Command
/castrandom Explosive Shot, Explosive Shot, Explosive Shot, Steady Shot, Aimed Shot
/cast Rapid Fire
/cast Blood Fury

...

For my level of gear however i do feel im doing something wrong somewhere, i was advised to get a little extra haste so have a +16 haste, im hit capped but just dont seem to be hitting the same figures other sv hunters are getting.
Spam macros will not optimize Survival DPS. The rotation is heavily dependent on procs, so manual is the best way to go. It does help to macro Kill Shot to your various shots, however. Gem for agility over haste. Haste does have its benefits but not nearly the point for point benefit that agility provides.

Originally Posted by allfours
I also find it a little confusing that my 2-18-51 spec uses sniper training but then to proc LnL i have to run in and out, is the loss in dps doing this run in, trap, run out past 30 yards worth it, or have i missed something somewhere.....
Pick one or the other. On Patchwerk, running in to trap dance and then attempting to get to range to benefit from Sniper Training is terribly inefficient.

Last edited by Gozardina : 02/13/09 at 9:51 AM. Reason: Clarity

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Old 02/13/09, 10:10 AM   #2491
EwokChilli
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Medivh
FC i believe is 1 PPM, but it can proc off of strikes and is affected by haste. So it has I believe 35-40% uptime based on spec. Has no ICD. With a 3.4 speed weapon, i think it came out to about ~7% chance to proc on each attack/strike.

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Old 02/13/09, 10:44 AM   #2492
Emolate
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by rocketsabre View Post
a good Dk is gonna use i think its called ebon plague in their rotation, its actually a dps increase for them saving the lock from having to use CoE, and as i stated when i raid i always have a Dk in it, i have tested this and as far as everyone in the raid there was no dps increase from me using CoE because it does not stack with the Dk's plague, only thing that was noticable was a dps lose on my behalf,
Nobody was suggesting using non-stacking debuffs. Obviously if you have an Unholy Death Knight doing Ebon Plaguebringer or a Boomkin doing Earth and Moon, you don't want to use CoE.

Originally Posted by Zeln View Post
I'm pretty sure the only reason you're on this planet is the phone rang and startled your dad.

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Old 02/13/09, 11:41 AM   #2493
remen
 
Human Warrior
 
Altar of Storms
Action Bars

I wasn't really sure where to post this question but I figure this thread was as good as any that I could come up with. I've recently hit 80 and am working on heroics to get geard for raids but i was wondering, does any one have a good screen shot of their action bar set up? I've been trying to find a set up that will put all of the actions I need within reach. I've been experimenting but with minimal luck. Any suggestions?

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Old 02/13/09, 12:17 PM   #2494
Mashuata
 
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Silvermoon
Sorry it took so long but I finally registered for Elitist Jerks just to say thank you Shandara for taking up the spreadsheet and keeping it working as well as it does.

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Old 02/13/09, 12:55 PM   #2495
Nees
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Troll Shaman
 
Uldum (EU)
Hi,
Thats a report of a Pacth 2 weeks ago:

Wow Web Stats 5112 Dps

I use a Wild Magic potion + EM + Berserking on BL.

I just change a couple of items / gems, I get the Benefactor Gloves instead of T7.5 Gloves, y had to change some gems / enchants to get the hit cap again.

But i have i little problem rigth now, I think that I stack too much haste, cause i cast LaB / CL 0.7 / 0.8 while BL is active. 14.82% pasive haste.

Should i change the gloves back? Get 12% pasive haste and gem all with spell?

PS: Sry about my english.

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Old 02/13/09, 1:18 PM   #2496
smokixo
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Orc Shaman
 
Dun Modr (EU)
thx for your answer i the i will pick the spark at HoS XDDDD

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Old 02/13/09, 1:51 PM   #2497
rocketsabre
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Gnome Warlock
 
Gorefiend
sorry i misread what he said, yea we do only guild runs on everything so i always have a boomkin and a unholy Dk running with me, i find it kind of a useless lock talent, specially now that every raid you get into will either have a boomkin or a Dk.

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Old 02/13/09, 2:02 PM   #2498
Darkchrono
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Undead Warlock
 
Ysondre
Creativity Spec Inc

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

31/21/19
SM/DS/Ruin

Simplified Playstyle- bringin back lvl 60 Skillz~
Feedback maybe? I'll test on like a 10m or something..guild wont allow me to try in 25 -.-

P.S I'm not actualy terrible...

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Old 02/13/09, 5:33 PM   #2499
Sindyshock
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Arthas
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Old 02/13/09, 6:01 PM   #2500
Anonymousrogue
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Thaurissan
EDIT: Fixed this post realised the mistake, mod please delete it.

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