Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1004

Hazbuk · 03/23/10, 4:44 PM

Very good bunch of guys

Hazbuk · 03/23/10, 4:45 PM

Brilliant Spreadhseet

Hazbuk · 03/23/10, 4:46 PM

hahaha classic.

Hazbuk · 03/23/10, 4:46 PM

Lol :P

Hazbuk · 03/23/10, 4:47 PM

This spreadsheet is a godsend

Hazbuk · 03/23/10, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by Zamboozle

It -would- be hilarious if Nef does make a big comeback as a huge zombie dragon with a thick row of stitches around his neck...

Or more speculation, probably a soul of some sort like Taerar. That would also be possible. A shade of shadow somewhere that spits shadowflame 2.0. I would prefer something to not make Vanilla obsolete. All those hours in Blackwing Lair..come on Blizzard =( Tthe term 'Blackwing' doesn't really refer to Nefarion specifically - it could very possibly be another black dragon in there churning things up - it may be be Sinestra as the end boss even.

Fortunately, I still my have Onyxia cloak! So if Nef really makes a comeback, I am prepared! HAH!

I'd laugh but i'd cry afterwards. Some bosses should be left dead.

Hazbuk · 03/23/10, 4:53 PM

The shards are way too RNG, in an entire HC ICC (excluding LK ofc) run we got 2 shards. GG

Hazbuk · 03/23/10, 4:56 PM

Originally Posted by Feist-Mok

More to the point, this means that there is no specific advantage to Crippling Poison on this fight. Other snares can be applied at a far lower DPS cost in many cases, and leaves us free to focus on the primary utility that we bring to the Val'kyr - stuns.

Finally, someone gets it.

Lugz · 03/23/10, 5:18 PM

Now that 3.3.3 is Live, I, like many other DK's are trying to figure out which new spec will yeild the highest DPS. I downloaded the new Sim, and ran my current 14/0/57 Reaping build against the new 0/17/54 Reapingless build, and I'm showing a ~100 DPS increase with the new Frost subspec. However, I just want to post my results, to make sure that I'm not making any gross errors.

Here's the Reapingless Frost build results

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	701988645	19.6	156027	6015.4	71040	45.5	3641.5	45658	29.3	7510.6			39329	25.2	2552.2
Ghoul	454254701	12.7	392545	1157.2	341327	87	1031.3	51218	13	1996
ScourgeStrike	354467391	9.9	53486	6627.3	34577	64.6	4455.7	18909	35.4	10598.2
DeathCoil	321240279	9	52372	6133.8	36458	69.6	4639.9	15914	30.4	9556.3
BloodStrike	248203699	6.9	72000	3447.3	50892	70.7	2630.3	21108	29.3	5417
FrostFever	236691790	6.6	106971	2212.7	106971	100										100
BloodPlague	198110124	5.5	106972	1852	106972	100										100
ScourgeStrikeMagical	195639803	5.5	53486	3657.8	34577	64.6	2459.3	18909	35.4	5849.3
Gargoyle	183610573	5.1	33943	5409.4	29513	86.9	4782.6	4430	13.1	9584.8
Necrosis	136392392	3.8	156027	874.2	156027	100
Bryntroll	120433593	3.4	34050	3537	34050	100	3537
BloodCakedBlade	117139829	3.3	46813	2502.3	46813	100	2502.3
WanderingPlague	99490175	2.8	49118	2025.5	49118	100
PlagueStrike	76650015	2.1	18514	4140.1	12025	65	2789.7	6489	35	6642.6
IcyTouch	72467084	2	18514	3914.2	12885	69.6	2960.4	5629	30.4	6097.3
AotD	39868628	1.1	229459	173.8	199574	87	173.2	29885	13	177.2
UnholyBlight	32131868	.9	52372	613.5	52372	100
DPS	9969(+/- 516)
Total Damage	3588.78m	in 100h
Threat Per Second	6525
Generated in	24s
Template:	Unholy 00-17-54
Rotation:	Unholy-ReapingLess
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	Virulence
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

And now the Reaping results:

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	646581170	18.2	134828	6406.4	58781	43.6	3817.8	42147	31.3	7866.1			33900	25.1	2673.6
ScourgeStrike	538890383	15.2	70972	7593	38131	53.7	4637.4	32841	46.3	11024.7
Ghoul	402977125	11.3	356850	1129.3	310407	87	1009.4	46443	13	1930.5
DeathCoil	333871902	9.4	58546	5702.7	39609	67.7	4245.6	18937	32.3	8750.6
ScourgeStrikeMagical	275047801	7.7	70972	3875.4	38131	53.7	2367	32841	46.3	5626.9
FrostFever	220180356	6.2	107985	2039	107985	100										99.9
BloodPlague	184451130	5.2	108001	1707.9	108001	100										99.9
Gargoyle	162886208	4.6	29828	5460.8	25959	87	4833.9	3869	13	9667.6
BloodStrike	143580675	4	37028	3877.6	22165	59.9	2720.9	14863	40.1	5602.6
Necrosis	125612966	3.5	134828	931.7	134828	100
BloodCakedBlade	106064014	3	40459	2621.5	40459	100	2621.5
Bryntroll	105152396	3	29720	3538.1	29720	100	3538.1
WanderingPlague	97375237	2.7	52123	1868.2	52123	100
PlagueStrike	81772685	2.3	18514	4416.8	11631	62.8	2917.9	6883	37.2	6949.7
IcyTouch	58897752	1.7	18514	3181.3	12526	67.7	2367.8	5988	32.3	4882.9
AotD	36525182	1	204763	178.4	178711	87.3	178.9	26052	12.7	175
UnholyBlight	33381257	.9	58546	570.2	58546	100
DPS	9870(+/- 571)
Total Damage	3553.25m	in 100h
Threat Per Second	4974
Generated in	24s
Template:	Unholy 12-00-59
Rotation:	Unholy-Reaping
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	Virulence
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

One note, on the Reaping build, I just modified the 12/0/59 Template, so all the talents and glyphs are correct. In addition, I did not run these with the ICC buff turned on, but I don't think that would make a difference in which spec is better.

Again, I'm just needing someone to glance over the results, to make sure there are no obvious errors. I don't need anyone to tell me which spec to play, because if my results are in error, I already know which one is best.

Thanks.

micronSD · 03/23/10, 5:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lugz

Now that 3.3.3 is Live, I, like many other DK's are trying to figure out which new spec will yeild the highest DPS. I downloaded the new Sim, and ran my current 14/0/57 Reaping build against the new 0/17/54 Reapingless build, and I'm showing a ~100 DPS increase with the new Frost subspec. However, I just want to post my results, to make sure that I'm not making any gross errors.

Again, I'm just needing someone to glance over the results, to make sure there are no obvious errors. I don't need anyone to tell me which spec to play, because if my results are in error, I already know which one is best.

Thanks.

I saw the exact same results with my sims as well: the Frost sub-spec comes out on top by 50-100 dps.

blahmeister · 03/23/10, 6:16 PM

Would anyone mind posting what could potentially be the cookie cutter builds of 3.3.3? I've been playing around with Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft and Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft ... 0/53/18 is pulling ahead of 12/52/7 in the sim .. but im curious if anyone is seeing different numbers in game

RevesFonce · 03/23/10, 6:17 PM

It has been some time since I have dps'ed as frost in any form, my question is, what amount of hit should a dual-weild frost dps be aiming for? Just special ability cap? Or should spell hit cap be the focus.

Lakattack · 03/23/10, 6:19 PM

does the new buff to rupture change mutilate rotation at all? critical stikes can be a decent increase in sustained dmg. or is this just a hit or miss depending on the boss fight, compared to actually integrating rupture into our cycle for every encounter.

Kwil · 03/23/10, 6:34 PM

Originally Posted by Law

I can at least tell you, from the discussion I've read, that glyphing for rupture is not a superior strategy, because it doesn't make up for the lost raid DPS from tott glyph. As for running combat with rupture, the Java app has a way of modeling rupture for combat cycles, and in the 2 minutes I just spent playing around with it, I was seeing a net increase of about 100 DPS (12504 vs. 12610), using Aldriana's current character as a guide (I'm logged out in mut gear), and that's with the rupture glyph.

I'll wait to pass judgement on rupture until the various spreadsheets/apps all converge on an answer, but as it stands, I wouldn't start worrying about a new rotation just yet.

On a different note, is anyone else not all that excited about the possibility of incorporating rupture into a combat "rotation"? I find myself almost *wanting* it to not be worthwhile, but maybe that's just me.

I saw basically the same with idps as well.

undeadkent · 03/23/10, 6:50 PM

^ same...
Combat rogue using 2pc t10...
Noticed today that rupture drops more quickly than I remembered from before my evis only rotation. Now I'm wondering: Does the Rupture crit chance scale with the player crit chance? Further, will the potential dmg of rupture be enough to steal 5 points away from evis?
I'm thinking situation may play a part (boss is low on health and you get one last shot, use evis).

Any thoughts on the new changes, viability of rupture glyph, rupture cycle v. mixed evis cycle v. evis or evenoum only cycles? Thanks for your time and thoughts, I'll post again if my info is worth it (I'd hate to be so scrubby my data shows me way under-dps'ing my gear lol).

-kent