Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1011

Voradors · 03/25/10, 1:51 PM

I am planning on rolling a DK with a primary DPS 51/0/20 spec and a 2ndary 37/34/0 hybrid spec for PvP. The main thing i cant decide on is what Race would be most beneficial...Orc or Blood Elf.

End game will be mostly doing PvP with some friends.

Could anyone please share their opinion on this? i am pretty open to suggestions...

I hear that Blood elf is generally the preferred for PvP but when I weigh the extra str, attack power instant, and expertise bonus vs arcane torrent and some spell deflection, it seems that Orc is the better choice?

Naforce · 03/25/10, 2:05 PM

Originally Posted by jargha

yea but do it outweight increased spirit from racial by that much?

Depends on how much intellect vs spirit you got and your personal scaling factors!

forgedbyfire · 03/25/10, 2:12 PM

from prebc till now my mage i have always uesed as my farmer and frost lets me grab 20 -30 npcs lock them down and kill them all no other spec gives me this ablity to live it made lvling much easier but i cant raid as frost and i know if they gave me the dps in frost that the others get then pvpers would cry plz some one give me a good responce for raid leads when they tell me why bring a frost to a arcain fight

• Zakalwe · 03/25/10, 2:43 PM

Keep in mind raid-buffed intellect can be as high as 1800 these days, while spirit can easily get below 500. 5% of 1800 is 90, while 3% of 500 is 15. Even with a spirit scale factor of 1.2 and an int scale factor of 0.6, that's a 36 dps advantage for the gnome racial.

Zeil · 03/25/10, 3:36 PM

Critique?

Sub:19/0/52

Sub:13/6/52

I also find that there is quite a bit of work to produce equal dps with in comparison to combat/mut fotm builds. The one thing about going sub is the fact that you can claim, skill over just facerolling. I like the variety, the choices, and the fact that blizzard is making an effort to include all specs in all viable encounters.

Just a thought.

Nømad · 03/25/10, 4:35 PM

Is it me or did any of you other blood dk's notice a dps loss? From what I normally pull on bosses which is 10.7K
to 11KDPS I went down to around 10.2K. I noticed it was on Tuesday which was patch day. Another thing that has me thinking is that this new unholy spec with a frost sub tree seems to be doing well. A unholy dk in my guild that used to pull about 10K on Festergut pulled 11.3K. I don't want to jump to conclusions and spend a lot of gold to change my gems from ArP to StR so I can switch to this new UH Spec. However if it does seem that it is pulling ahead of blood I think I will do it.

Shuoven · 03/25/10, 7:18 PM

First time poster, but long time reader here, with a couple of questions/points...

As I have been reading the Suno's DK tanking thread and various other parts of the DK forums, it seems that the general consensus is that Unholy tanking is the least favorably looked upon as far as tanking specs. The one thing I haven't really been able to figure out is why. Is it due to poor TPS generation (in general or on single target), a lack of mitigation abilities, or both?

I ask because with 3.3.3 and the "bug fix" that now allows RS to proc BCB and Necrosis, I would imagine that this would help (mainly) single target TPS generation. I won't mention the improved IT generation as that helps all specs, not just unholy. Would it now be worth it to take BCB and Necrosis (along with Black Ice)?

As well, I've been trying to figure out part of a spec (I'm surrently at work and unable to use certain parts of this site so forgive me for not waiting until after work to post). I'm currently working on a 0/17/50 spec and am unsure where to put the other 4 points. Is Improved Unholy presence worth the 2pts for the run speed? Is it better to have 4% extra armour or 1% damage mitigation (Toughness vs Blade Barrier), oe would this just be better to figure out using one of the speadsheets available (I'm unsure if there's one that figures out best mitigation abilities)?

Admittedly, I'm not fully 80 yet, but I like to plan ahead for things, hence the questions now. I've tried Blood and Frost, and just couldn't quite get used to the rotations/abilities of either, and so I prefer Unholy, although I may just have to stick to dps with it...

Jhaze · 03/25/10, 9:04 PM

death knight's dps perfectly fit with any other class in 3.3.3.
simply mages,ferals,or any other class with almost any spell with crit capability,will see higher,exceptional numbers,due to rng.
i mean,if we have 0% crit,and mage has 0% crit our damage will be higher.
if we have 100% crit,and mage has 100% crit,his damage will be higher then our.
we don't scale aswell as almost any other class in 3.3.3,but we have it on almost any single drop and tier set.

Jenkz · 03/25/10, 9:11 PM

Originally Posted by Vargras

@ Liar

When you say full DPS gear, do you truly mean DPS gear, or are you wearing PvP gear as well in order to remain uncrittable? This is, of course, going by the assumption that resilience can also make you uncrittable in PvE.

Only reason I ask is that it's kinda hard to tell based on the screenshots you posted, and the Armory can be a bit slow at times.

It can't.

Tyvi · 03/25/10, 9:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jenkz

It can't.

This is wrong. Resilience can make you uncrittable in PvE.

Narghaz · 03/25/10, 9:50 PM

Originally Posted by sheky

A lot of people are gonna flame me for responding to your comment with this answer but the fact of the matter is with the change to IT expertise is not as important to us as other tanks, since IT cannot be dodged or parried. Even in AoE situations expertise isnt THAT much of a big deal. Now this doesn't go to say that defensively expertise isnt good, however in ICC *most* bosses dont require it, as you can see here:
Parry-haste confirmed to be mostly off in Icecrown Citadel � pwnwear

So to answer your question, hold onto your expertise weap. But don't be afraid to swap it out. I personally try to keep my expertise up atm bc I'm working on Sindragosa HM, however look at the GM of Stars a DK tank for example progressing on the LK, hes got 6 exp. total. And there are many other "pro" tanks that do the same.

Thanks for your reply. Guess I'll need to try it out and see if what the difference will be like in a raid enviroment.

Larook · 03/25/10, 9:52 PM

Awsome, ill have to try out unholy DPS from now on. Thank you for the guide.

Kataii · 03/25/10, 10:10 PM

Hello I have just started back to playing WoW after a year long break. Upon my returning i have chosen to role a different character. And I am in need of a great raiding rotation for a Destro Lock. Please can someone help me?

kenshunter · 03/25/10, 10:44 PM

was wondering when the changes for 3.3.3 will be inputed into the spreadheet?

Shikimara · 03/25/10, 11:10 PM

not sure this the right place to post my rupture find on festergut:

Evis build with agi/ap gems (switching to all arp gems yields about a 100dps increase according to spreadsheet and idps) 2 attempts both 4min+ using normal evis cycle.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Rupture build (imp evis talents put into blood splatter and ruth) with Glyph of Rupture and Glyph of KS, using the rotation 3s/5r energy pool 70 energy (because snd or rupture will be clip sometimes cos of ruthlessness or combat potency proc in which case i use the extra energy to SS to avoid capping only if im waiting on rupture, otherwise I just clip SnD). Both parse are also 4min+ with last one being the kill parse.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

After getting used to the different rotation and figuring out how to manage extra energy and clipping, my results show in support to the spreadsheet and idps increase on using Rupture. It could just be RNG, but if its the case, both spec are relatively close. If i gemmed all arp for evis build, i probably get closer results.

Also since arp gets better the higher it gets, I'm thinking near BiS, evis build is clear winner? Evis build is also easier to manage.

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