With your gear I find it hard to believe that you were hitting 6k DPS before the patch.

Well believe what you want lol I wouldn't post here with false information what would the reason be? It's not as if you could magically tell me something to increase my DPS I just don't understand how taking talents which would seem to solidly increase my DPS actually dropped it quite a bit. My average according to recount in ICC10 was 6k flat and in heroics is between 5k and 6k.

Sim it if you like. I did using K's and even it said under normal conditions with no buffs I should be doing around 5k flat. Which is almost exactly what is the case.

Anecdotal information from someone with poor gear and experience is highly suspect. Your testing methodology or gameplay is almost certainly unsound. Combat parses would be far more useful than flawed Recount numbers.

There are just too many reasons why your DPS could have changed -- raid comp, rng, lag, etc etc. Just dropping in with "my dps is less" is basically useless.

Hey guys, just joined... awesome thread, been following it for a few days now and its been very helpfull. But before i ask what i intended to let me just say how i go about my pally

Basically i have the gear i have (which i think its pretty decent), and atm use Bryntroll 264 for boss fights and Justicebringer HC version for trash in ICC. What ive came up is that extra crit and slower wpn spd on Justicebringer give me more DPS on trash fights, and that slower spd and proc on Bryntroll gives me more overall dps on boss fights (avg 5min). Anyhow i usually finish in between 1st and 4th place on damage done lists on our guild's ICC 25 runs.
Alas what i wanted to ask is the following...

How do you guys time your potions of speed and/or potions of wild magic, and which one do you prefer to use on boss fights?

What i used to do (and am still doing) is to time my first AW with 1st or 2nd WFS proc (and possibly berserk proc), and then time my potion of speed on my next available WFS+Bersk proc's, and then use 2nd AW on heroism... What would you suggest is the best way to go? Maybe time potion of speed (wild magic) with 1st AW and then time second AW on hero ... or what?

Also is it better for us to use wild magic or speed potion, considering i have ~42% unbuffed crit when using Bryntroll (~44% with Justicebringer HC)?

Also how would you think id fare if i switched greatness with HWT? Kinda wanted to save my frosties and try and go for Shadow's Edge if i can which is kinda troublesome for me since im not that rich
Im definately planning to get Fleshrendering Gauntlets, and use it together with the other 4 pcs of T10... only if the damn pala tokens would drop in ICC already. Been having nightmares about it, 2 months and just one pala token, and it went to our priest since he had loads more DKP

Well thnx for everything guys, and keep up the great work (and i will too )

Helping you would just encourage others like you to post here.

Yeah you're right. Players that aren't serious enough to spend hours parsing raid combat logs and nerd rage in trade chat for at least one full day a week are worthless and should be shunned entirely.

Honestly people. I was just asking a simple question. All any one of you had to say was.. well I'd like to help but it's probably a bit more complicated than just a change in talents and I'd need a bit more information to really figure out what's going on. Perhaps that would have forced me to parce a combat log or two and learned how it worked.. instead I'm just a bit bitter about the attitude problem most of you seem to have.

These are two completely different things that have nothing to do with each other. The second one doesn't even have to do with your origional post.

I understood that but why would you say that all we do is troll trade chat all day? That doesn't even make sense.

It was just a joke... because typically the only people you see doing that are the super freaking serious people bitching about other players and how bad they are or whatever. I could never understand feeling the need to actually say something in trade about anything like that.. It's always the people that care waaay to much about the game.

You're right though.. all in all it was completely unnecessary. So is being this far offtopic so I'm done. I don't really need the answer anyway I like blood subspec so I'll just stick with it. Sorry to cause a problem.

Attitude problem? Have you played WoW at all?

Seriously though, your best bet is to reread the OP thoroughly and make sure you know that stuff inside and out. This is probably one of the most comprehensive threads available thanks to the diligence of those who actually are serious enough to spend hours parsing combat logs. Be thankful they do it for you.

If you found a sudden decrease in dps, you need to go over a mental checklist:

1. Make sure whatever you're using to record your dps is correct (often people post incorrect logs as well). If you are using a sim, make sure it's correct as well.
2. Make sure you are doing the right rotations. All the info you need is in the OP. This includes "disease twisting".
3. KNOW your stat weights! This allows you to balance your gear correctly.
4. Finally, once this is all adjusted, test different specs accordingly.

If it isn't one of these things, then its something much simpler like all your gear is red, or you have 2092323 latency etc.

Lol I like the latency joke but no I have good latency and my gear was fine. I know the rotation in and out and how to line up procs for diseases beyond that I'm a kind of noobish DK I suppose. I've never really been able to get a handle on rolling diseases correctly and the stat weight thing confuses me a bit but all in all I try to do my best with my gear I get advice from a lot of people but this thread has been my #1 source. It makes me wish there were threads like this for every class/spec *cough* Marksmen Hunter *cough* lol.

I use Recount to show my DPS but is there something better for it?

Also I asked so blatantly because it was such a dramatic drop.. I was almost certain I had done something wrong but I couldn't figure out what it was.. I'll make a larger effort to understand and apply stat weights I've just always been bad with numbers lol. I use RatingBuster to convert state values for me because I do it incorrectly my self almost every time.