Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1015

Kramxel · 03/26/10, 4:59 PM

Hi All,

I use clcret for my paladin and its absolutely amazing, I was wondering if you could possible make a DK version. Dual wield Frost works on a similar idea of a priority system so I would assume there wouldn't be too much work involved in doing so. (I could be wrong as I know very little about LUA coding despite my best efforts at attempting to learn it,).

If an entirely new addon isn't an option, is there a way to open clcret to work with DK's?

(In closing my apologies if this has been asked before I have looked few a few thread snad couldn't see this anywhere, but I may have overlooked this)

Supergreat · 03/26/10, 5:00 PM

Originally Posted by carleen

Alright, I'll keep fighting for the hardcap! Haha,even thou it feels bad to not use such a nice item.

It makes an excellent tanking piece, if you do any tanking on the side. The 4 set bonus alone was a 500-600 dps gain for me. Though I got my 4 set at about the time the strength of wyrnn buff was implemented.

Masaru · 03/26/10, 5:06 PM

Originally Posted by aeramis

I'm needing help on what I might be doing wrong to be around1.5 to 2k below a similarlly geared mage in our guild. We ran 10m ICC and he outperformed me on every fight. I am doing the right rotation ABx4 and Abarr if it procs. Using all cd's at the beginning of the fight etc. Things get even worse if theres any movement. I'm not looking for handholding just some tips or advice on what I could be doing wrong.Whether its spec or gear or whatever. I plan on talking to him tonight when he gets back and pick his brain.

When you say "ABx4 and Abarr if it procs," do you really mean Arcane Barrage? That would be your first problem. The rotation in it's basic form doesn't use Arcane Barrage, it uses Arcane Missiles when Missile Barrage procs.

Spandy87 · 03/26/10, 5:10 PM

dps meters are not infallible, but something you might consider doing is switching from recount to Skada. Its not perfect but its certainly a better option than recount.

Also, its difficult to actually find accurate dps measurements in game. If you are going by what target dummies tell you then that's the problem. Use target dummies to practice your rotations, but under no circumstances should you be measuring your dps on them. Find a fight like saurfang, and compare it on a weekly basis if you don't use sims. Having available world of logs reports helps too.

Ideally you should really work with a simulator and familiarize yourself with it because that's the only thing that remains invariable. The rest is up to you.

snirgol · 03/26/10, 5:13 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanG01

Lol I like the latency joke but no I have good latency and my gear was fine. I know the rotation in and out and how to line up procs for diseases beyond that I'm a kind of noobish DK I suppose. I've never really been able to get a handle on rolling diseases correctly and the stat weight thing confuses me a bit but all in all I try to do my best with my gear I get advice from a lot of people but this thread has been my #1 source. It makes me wish there were threads like this for every class/spec *cough* Marksmen Hunter *cough* lol.

I use Recount to show my DPS but is there something better for it?

Also I asked so blatantly because it was such a dramatic drop.. I was almost certain I had done something wrong but I couldn't figure out what it was.. I'll make a larger effort to understand and apply stat weights I've just always been bad with numbers lol. I use RatingBuster to convert state values for me because I do it incorrectly my self almost every time.

Well, RatingBuster won't really help you if you don't understand stat weights and which stats are better. Honestly, i totally see where you are coming from since i sometimes have problems with a few of the basics but like people said before me, just read the OP over and over again. Honestly, Consider did such an amazing job that all the info is there you just have to learn how to apply it.

Back to the topic, i did ICC 25 men yesterday with the new frost sub spec and had tons of issues with threat so i decided to go back to Blood sub spec. DPS wise, i did see an increase in some fights but between the fact that i am not a fan of the reapingless rotation and the issues with threat, i figured that it would be better for me to lose 50dps. Next week i will probably test it again but will put 1 point in subversion and see if that works better.

Meoses · 03/26/10, 5:15 PM

Precisely my point Sixthy, ENG has some really fun stuff with it that I think will be a blast to have. I was kinda just looking for someone to yell "ENG!??!! ur an idiot, its gotta be BS!" But the more I think about it the more I like the idea of parachuting from BS to GM and getting my own Jeeves

SpartanG01 · 03/26/10, 5:23 PM

Originally Posted by Spandy87

dps meters are not infallible, but something you might consider doing is switching from recount to Skada. Its not perfect but its certainly a better option than recount.

Also, its difficult to actually find accurate dps measurements in game. If you are going by what target dummies tell you then that's the problem. Use target dummies to practice your rotations, but under no circumstances should you be measuring your dps on them. Find a fight like saurfang, and compare it on a weekly basis if you don't use sims. Having available world of logs reports helps too.

Ideally you should really work with a simulator and familiarize yourself with it because that's the only thing that remains invariable. The rest is up to you.

Yeah I don't use the target dummies for anything. Ever. If I need to learn a new rotation I do it in a crappy heroic. I used to use Skada when I was raiding on my warlock.. I dunno what brought me to recount I think because I heard it being used so much more is there a reason why Skada is better? Definitely something I'll check out.

Originally Posted by snirgol

Well, RatingBuster won't really help you if you don't understand stat weights and which stats are better. Honestly, i totally see where you are coming from since i sometimes have problems with a few of the basics but like people said before me, just read the OP over and over again. Honestly, Consider did such an amazing job that all the info is there you just have to learn how to apply it.

Back to the topic, i did ICC 25 men yesterday with the new frost sub spec and had tons of issues with threat so i decided to go back to Blood sub spec. DPS wise, i did see an increase in some fights but between the fact that i am not a fan of the reapingless rotation and the issues with threat, i figured that it would be better for me to lose 50dps. Next week i will probably test it again but will put 1 point in subversion and see if that works better.

Yeah I understand the stat priorities as in which one is better than another lol I know since I'm hit capped I need to gem Str everywhere except where I can hit a +6 Str socket bonus with a +10 Str/Crit orange gem. (+16 Str / +10 Crit seems better than +20 Str)

I wish I had the gear for a reaping rotation but I just don't according to the OP lol. I also don't have a proc weapon to make haste really useful.

That all being said I'm actually determined to figure this out.. I've been reading for over an hour and the frost subspec seems like it shouldn't change my dps almost at all. I'm right at the gear level with 4pT9 that it should actually help. The substantial drop is what worries me.... I'm going to run a sim on K's against my two specs in my gear and see what happens.

aeramis · 03/26/10, 5:24 PM

Yes sorry you're correct. Missle barrage when it procs not arc barrage. Sorry about the confusion just a little flustered.

earle117 · 03/26/10, 5:29 PM

They should change the 4T10 bonus, right now it's not that great, it's annoying, and it's confusing if you just try to read the in game tooltip instead of seeing what it actually does.

It'd be really nice if they went back to the bug, but I doubt they will.

They should try and find some way to put the bug style Slam into our talent trees, and put in some slight nerf elsewhere, allowing us to use the bugged (superior) rotation while keeping us balanced.

Spamming HS isn't fun, constantly keeping the GCD going while monitoring rage for HS is.

Kaernya · 03/26/10, 5:52 PM

Originally Posted by miloshs

Hey guys, just joined... awesome thread, been following it for a few days now and its been very helpfull. But before i ask what i intended to let me just say how i go about my pally

Basically i have the gear i have (which i think its pretty decent), and atm use Bryntroll 264 for boss fights and Justicebringer HC version for trash in ICC. What ive came up is that extra crit and slower wpn spd on Justicebringer give me more DPS on trash fights, and that slower spd and proc on Bryntroll gives me more overall dps on boss fights (avg 5min). Anyhow i usually finish in between 1st and 4th place on damage done lists on our guild's ICC 25 runs.
Alas what i wanted to ask is the following...

How do you guys time your potions of speed and/or potions of wild magic, and which one do you prefer to use on boss fights?

What i used to do (and am still doing) is to time my first AW with 1st or 2nd WFS proc (and possibly berserk proc), and then time my potion of speed on my next available WFS+Bersk proc's, and then use 2nd AW on heroism... What would you suggest is the best way to go? Maybe time potion of speed (wild magic) with 1st AW and then time second AW on hero ... or what?

Also is it better for us to use wild magic or speed potion, considering i have ~42% unbuffed crit when using Bryntroll (~44% with Justicebringer HC)?

Also how would you think id fare if i switched greatness with HWT? Kinda wanted to save my frosties and try and go for Shadow's Edge if i can which is kinda troublesome for me since im not that rich

Im definately planning to get Fleshrendering Gauntlets, and use it together with the other 4 pcs of T10... only if the damn pala tokens would drop in ICC already. Been having nightmares about it, 2 months and just one pala token, and it went to our priest since he had loads more DKP

Well thnx for everything guys, and keep up the great work (and i will too

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I usually pop one before the pull to take advantage of being able to use 2, then the second during heroism if we're not using that on the pull, otherwise time it with my last Avenging Wrath (admittedly purely for cost effectiveness - reduces the chance of wasting a pot if we wipe to something other than an enrage). Occasionally use it for certain phases when it's clearly more useful, like the second transition for LK (back when we were learning it).

rh8452 · 03/26/10, 6:03 PM

Jericho: I rather doubt that 30 stam gem in your DPS chest is adding to your DPS at all, though at least you got the socket bonus!

Frost subspec requires a proc weapon to be of significant value. Its AOE on fights where there are many adds / mobs is weaker, particularly Lich King. However to be frank DPS on shambling horrors and ghouls on that fight is worthless if necrotic plague is being spread properly, so aside from getting top WoL parses on that fight, spamming Death and Decay in P1 is generally useless, and heroic faction champions/anub'arak are no longer current progression.

FWIW, heroic bryntroll's proc for me as frost subspec in a 25-man heroic raid is hitting for an average of 4050 and accounting for anywhere from 2.5-4% of my DPS; a decent increase from when I ran blood subspec. It's much more reliable on fights like saurfang and festergut, on fights where you are forced to move and switch targets I'd wager frost subspec to be a wash because white swings / weapon procs aren't happening when you're out of melee range.

SpartanG01 · 03/26/10, 6:34 PM

Originally Posted by rh8452

Jericho: I rather doubt that 30 stam gem in your DPS chest is adding to your DPS at all, though at least you got the socket bonus!

Lol don't mind that, I was pvping earlier and I don't have a good pvp chest and I had the extra gem I'm going to replace it as soon as raid comes tonight. Normally I wouldn't regem for that lol but I was pvping all day trying to farm up honor for the mounts.

nivity · 03/26/10, 6:37 PM

Hi.

I was wondering what your opinions is about Frost emblem gear.

I got 260 frost emblems saved up on my fury warrior and was gonna buy some gear for her.

What would be the wisest items to purchase?

Would it be to try and get 4xT10 or go random items?

Other option was like Chest+Back+2xT10

OT:
Also gonna buy Hilt with arp 2hand and maybe kirin tor ring

Esh-324 · 03/26/10, 7:11 PM

Pre-Raid DK Tank Gear, just have to set it to show all threads, not just those active in the last month.

swimcory · 03/26/10, 8:34 PM

does anybody know if having a hunter in the raid running TSA and ur not speced into it but u have the glyph if you would still get the 10% increase crit for AS anyways?