Hello.

Is the following idea worth to test?
I imagined something like this:
- Bosspull with an instant Bloodlust
- burning your first 6 runes (for all the Proccs)
- go for empowered Runeweapon -> Unholy Presence -> Hastepotion-> Blood Fury -> Engineergloves -> Summon Garg
-> Back to Blood Presence & Rotation

Thanks for any comments.

Hey guys, what do you think about Herkuml War Token for 0/17/54 build with normal Bryntroll? Right now I use WFS and DC:Greatness. Last week I bought 4th t10 part, got also badge cloak/belt, so I can spend emblems for this trinket. I tried HWT when I was using pre 3.3.3 subblood uh build with Ramaladnis Blade of Culling, and dps result was almost the same with HWT or DC:Greatness. I know its not bad trinket for dw frost dps, but how about for faster (haste)build with 2h proc weapon? Thx for answer and srry for my bad english.

Many, many hunters have. I should be hardcapped with foodbuff and elixir, if armory has updated my Saurfang ring to the heroic one yet.

From what I can see with this spec is that unless you have a tank that can pull a constant 8k tps MINIMUM, you will NEED 3 points in Subversion. I was running ToC25 and when I popped my CDs I was hitting up to 13k tps.

I've always been blood and since I barely go above 4k tps, I didn't think I would need the points in Subversion. For prolonged fights where you can keep up 3 stacks of Hanged Man sigil, this spec can pull massive damage - aslong as you watch Omen ofcourse

I have been looking for a while, both on the spreadsheet, demonology and 3.3.3 thread; for a post that provided an idea of gearing for maximum spellpower (spirit on gear, obviously as the demon rDPS warlock) compared to personal DPS BiS gear, and would be thankful if someone could point me to such a post (or give me a hint) because I'm not that good at numbers to break it down myself.

Edit: clarification

Fast question here: You think worth to put 5 points on feral agression to fight Arthas?

My 10 man group doesn't have a warlock and a pally ret so i'm Master Shapeshifter specced and was thinking to remove MS points (threath is not a problem here) and put them on FA.

I´m trying to avoid Tank rotation on Soul Reapers and maybe this talent can help, i also saw the Paragon's druid with 5 points on FA during the 25H kill.

I'm not sure a small bit of resistance is going to be that strong. (from 50 to 82)

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I would submit this spec as Demo PvP. While I'm aware this thread is mainly is used for PvE discussion, since you mentioned a PvP spec as well I've made my own improvement of it.

You took Improved Shadowbolt, though in PvP you will rarely to never get to make use of it at all. I used the points for Molten Skin, reducing damage to you, and Health Funnel - pets tend to be a target in arena (especially higher brackets). I ditched Suppression as well but this is only assuming you can get the hit needed through for example PvE weapons.

I took Molten Core for the simple reason that fast casts and burst are very helpful and the proc is passive off a DoT easily reapplied. I would take this talent over Improved Demonic Tactics. I personally wouldn't go for crit but for haste in PvP, so your crit would not be that high anyway and the benefit of Improved Demonic Tactics in my opinion is as such marginal. If I were to take Suppression I'd take these points away then. If you're hit capped and you feel Improved Demonic Tactic's use is still too bad, you could take the points and put them in Mana Feed and Master Conjurer, or in Improved Corruption and/or Improved Curse of Agony.

As I don't have the patience to work through 100 pages, I would add my 2 cents and would like to hear some input to it.

Before posting, this is my tanking spec and I do see room for alternative glyphs or 1-4 talent points for single/multi target threat switches, or even more survivability throug Glyph of Anti-Magic Shell, but overall it's the best way a blood DK can survive. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I can't see why a Blood DK should spec like the opening post suggests. Death Rune Mastery and Scent of Blood are wasted points, as is Might of Mograine. You almost always have enough RP to constantly Rune Strike, and death coils don't do much dps/threat. The blood spec's weakest point is it's avoidance and absorbtion, but it's able to heal itself through various ways, primary death strike. A simple disease upkeeping rotation with focus on DS should be the main priority. You may get hit harder and more often than other tanks, but you always put in your own ~10k heals every few seconds, which are balancing this very good. And threat should never be the issue since the last IT buff. (One IT every ~20 seconds and 2 for every Blood Tab are more than enough.)

Rune Tap is another must-have talent. In combination with a Vampiric Blood you heal yourself for about 40 % of the life you got without VB and combine that with a battlemaster trinket or something like Blessing of the Naaru and you got a very mighty cooldown combination.

And yup, Blood Worms DO heal. They heal for 250-400 per hit, and they are many. It's an effective health buff which can keep you alive, you only could spec into more threat, which is absolutely not relevant. On many fights they even absorb many nasty debuffs, spells and hits from the bosses, which otherwhise would hit your fellow comrades or yourself.

Without selfheal there is only one possible excuse to spec into blood as a tanking DK: WotN. And I can't accept that a single survival talent (although almost OP for itself since the buff) can justify the loss of a very big bunch of absorbtion, threat or anti-magic tools, you would get with Frost or Unholy.

Also I would like to support the "Glyph of Horn of Winter - Haters Club" with this post! Glyph of Blood Tap should be mandatory.


If my statement was already posted somewhere below, I humbly apologize for your stolen time. If not I was pleased to add my ideas, although they are working very much for me in practice.

No, the damage gain for your gargoyle is at most around 10-12k at the cost of one U and one B rune. That alone might just be worth it, but you desync all your runes irreparably that way, unless you cast an IT simultaneously with Unholy Presence, which doesn't really improve the overall problem. So, no.

Thats what I reckoned aswell.

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