Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 104

Eisentefel · 02/26/09, 6:36 PM

I noticed something interesting when I was doing H AN earlier, and I decided to test it. Apparently, if you us a cancelaura macro during the cast of a Holy Light, then the Holy Light goes off at full strength. For instance, i was using:

#showtooltip Holy Shock
/cancelaura Divine Plea
/cast Holy Shock

To get an emergency HS in during Divine Plea. But apparently, if there's an emergency during Divine Plea, then we can get off a HL cast that divine plea ticks during, as well as the HS. I don't think it's really gamebreaking or anything, but I hadn't seen this before, so I decide to post it.

rouger · 02/26/09, 6:54 PM

Originally Posted by trangoul

I feel as if 0/40/31 should be added:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614
With the glyph choices of Lifetap / Incin / Immo, the rotation of CoA / Corr / Immo / Incin / Conflag at < 3 seconds of immo, and if possible soul fire for execute range (Incinx2->SFx2 I believe is working).

Thanks for the great work thus far though. Its interesting at how close the lock specs are looking to each other dps wise.

mmm i think
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

molten core is real good if you keep COA up
i feel loosing 3 % crit and 3 % fire damage is worth the 15% chance for 10% more fire damage. some want to crunch the numbers.

Anjuna · 02/26/09, 8:00 PM

I forgot to turn off titles and guild names.

Runes appear just under the player frame, can see them faded out.

Skorp · 02/26/09, 8:35 PM

I wasn't sure which forum to post this question, and I might have been listed before, but, I'm curious. Out of all the spreadsheets, which do most people believe is the most accurate in terms of comparing dps? I personally know of 3 that I use, but I get different results. They are:

1. Rawr
2. Theory Craft-o-Matic
3. Magegraf

I see mainly rawr listed with even it's own post, so is it safe to assume the answer is Rawr? I like rawr, with exception to it's gem options. Also, are there any other good spreadsheets that you'd recommend that I haven't listed?

darthdusty · 02/26/09, 8:40 PM

Originally Posted by Jacelin

K well i am a lvl 80 night elf TG warrior. Fairly well geared except for a few epic lvl 70 pieces i am wearing. My rotation is BT, WW, slam on crit, and heroic strike as a rage dump. My problem is I am not able to pull off more than about 1900 to 2k dmg in 10man naxx and no more than 2.5k in 25 man naxx. I have seen other fury warrior putting out twice my numbers and i cannot seem to figure out how. Any help would be very appreciative. Thanks alot.

Seems like i'm in a similar situation as you. I have good gear, do the rotation everyone says is best, try to keep my hit and exp capped, but am i missing something? One bad thing i know of is my comp isn't the greatest but how much do you think that affects me? I'm probably just a noob but any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Burks · 02/26/09, 9:50 PM

Finally! I will have the perfect title! Bwahahahaha!

Grunge · 02/26/09, 10:31 PM

Those who were missing a few candies from Be Mine!, it's time for rejoicing, I was missing 2 and was awarded "the Love Fool" on PTR.
If this is intended or not remains to be seen.

mcloud777 · 02/26/09, 11:35 PM

I have been using this spec in PTR and it works great.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...6&version=9626

My rotation goes like so,

PS-IT-BS-BS-SS-DC
SS-SS-SS-DC-DC-REPEAT

Skorp · 02/27/09, 1:54 AM

Anyone? would really appreciate some opinions/feedback here.

typobox · 02/27/09, 3:08 AM

Originally Posted by PSGarak

MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Change Hearthstones to 30 Minutes.
Long story short, Hearthstone cooldown will be shortened to 30 minutes in 3.1, as partial compensation for ghetto-hearting from an instance sending you to a graveyard instead of hearth location. It's also one of the fastest reversals, and strangest blue threads, I've read.

Cue a bunch of shamans complaining about how they need a buff now.

Duuberman · 02/27/09, 3:14 AM

Originally Posted by typobox

Cue a bunch of shamans complaining about how they need a buff now.

I vote they build in the astral recall glyph into the ability QQ

1337beast · 02/27/09, 3:27 AM

Originally Posted by Doozel

how are the DW 1h builds looking? is there a benefit to speccing that way with the TG nerf?

The nerf to TG is not implemented YET. It will be only in patch 3.1 (in 1-3months) so you still gotta wear 2x 2H as of now.

Some people did a bit of raw testing for DW 1h VS TG on the PTR and from what it seems right now, they seem roughly equal in terms of DPS.

bibby · 02/27/09, 4:08 AM

Originally Posted by Kaan

I would mainhand the Jawbone and offhand the Betrayer. Faster offhand will be better for rage generation and 9 DPS isn't really saying anything but "it's down to personal gusto".

Wouldn't this lower ur WW dmg and rage gen? since U would hit harder with BoH in Mh.

silmarieni · 02/27/09, 5:43 AM

Zakalwe,

Can you please test this spec?

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

It is your 0/41/30 Felguard/Emberstorm except 3 points were added in suppression and 3 points were taken from emberstorm.
BTW, would this be the optimal way to get the 3 points for suppression or should they be taken from elsewhere?

Thanks a lot,
Sil

Lucifa42 · 02/27/09, 6:12 AM

Sorry, I maybe I wasn't clear.

I don't have SNR or the bracers - I would like them

My other ring is Ruthlessness.

I'll try out the spreadsheet, thanks.

SkunkApe · 02/27/09, 6:24 AM

Have to say I'm quite liking the 3300 crits I'm getting on my Rip/Rake ticks on the PTR. All that with just MotW and no snazzy new Savage Roar glyph.

camullo · 02/27/09, 6:52 AM

Could you perhaps do the calculation again with the new Glyph of Aimed Shot (reduces CD by 2secs)? thx in advance

silmarieni · 02/27/09, 9:16 AM

Originally Posted by Dawei

Bad idea. Lets do some napkin math to see why. If you are 1% away from the hit cap, then 1% of the time your spells will not land. This is more or less equivalent to missing 1% of you dps. So that means each point put into Suppression is a 1% damage increase until you are hit capped. Compare that to each point in Emberstorm. A single point is a 3% increase in fire spell damage. Lets say fire damage is making up 50% of your damgage and the rest is from your pet and shadow spells(In reality, fire will probably make up much more than 50% of your damage). That means a single point in Emberstorm is a 1.5% dps increase in dps. And that doesn't even account for the Incinerate cast time decrease you get from Emberstorm. Now that was some pretty rough math that is not completely accurate but I believe it would be better to miss out on the hit cap than take points out of Emberstorm. Emberstorm is half the reason that specs even works as well as it does. Like I said, the math was rough so feel free to correct me if I did something dumb.

OK so the best the solution for 3.1 would be:
- use a 40 hit food buff (at a cost of a 46 spell power food buff) for an additional 1.5% hit
- do whatever it takes to itemize with 1.5% more hit before the update.

?

I sure wish they put the 3% hit talent in either demonology or destruction ;-)

Thanks,
Sil

Hexin · 02/27/09, 10:45 AM

I'm not real happy to see 41/30 coming out on top in the simulation, as it is the most boring spec to me with one of the simplest rotations. GC did allude to the fact they may need to make dots crit for 200% for both spriests and lock, possibly through talents (maybe ruin will become applicable to all spells, instead of just destro?) ... Hopefully either that will come to pass or deep destro will get additional attention. Having such a strong min/maxer mentality, I won't be happy with a second-best spec just because I like playing it more.

Azamil · 02/27/09, 3:31 PM

What is a warrior tanks most likely role in Sartharion 3 drakes? What are our requirements for that fight? How much hp/avoidance/threat do we need to do it?

Polkadotz · 02/27/09, 4:14 PM

thanks

Kavtor · 02/27/09, 4:17 PM

Tanking adds or drakes. You don't really need anything that you probably don't already have if you're attempting it. (your armory gear looks more than sufficient)
A block set is good for adds, and a couple pieces of BT shadow resist help out on drakes.

tr33hugger · 02/27/09, 5:11 PM

i just lost fun in tanking

Quick · 02/27/09, 9:02 PM

also included in those notes:

Viper Sting re-designed: Stings the target, draining 4% of mana over 8 sec (up to a maximum of 8% of the caster's maximum mana), and energizing the Hunter equal to 300% of the amount drained. Only one Sting per Hunter can be active on any one target.

while the return of mana is nice, it now only drains 20% of what it used to. what im wondering now is that because it drains so little, will anyone take the gcd to actually dispell it anymore? could be a buff in that sense.

edit: looking at druids abolish poison, it costs 13% base mana. With their base mana, it costs around 455 to cast. Assuming 15000 mana and 4% drained, they only save themselves 150 mana by dispelling it, and would probably lose more mana dispelling if it got a tick off, rather then just letting it go its duration.

Dranaerys · 02/27/09, 9:58 PM

Shiv: This ability can no longer generate a critical strike, and the poisons it applies cannot be critical strikes either.

Last nail in the shiv build's coffin.