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Old 02/26/09, 6:36 PM   #2576
Eisentefel
Glass Joe
 
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Silvermoon
I noticed something interesting when I was doing H AN earlier, and I decided to test it. Apparently, if you us a cancelaura macro during the cast of a Holy Light, then the Holy Light goes off at full strength. For instance, i was using:

#showtooltip Holy Shock
/cancelaura Divine Plea
/cast Holy Shock

To get an emergency HS in during Divine Plea. But apparently, if there's an emergency during Divine Plea, then we can get off a HL cast that divine plea ticks during, as well as the HS. I don't think it's really gamebreaking or anything, but I hadn't seen this before, so I decide to post it.

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Old 02/26/09, 6:54 PM   #2577
rouger
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Orc Warlock
 
Tichondrius
Originally Posted by trangoul View Post
I feel as if 0/40/31 should be added:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614
With the glyph choices of Lifetap / Incin / Immo, the rotation of CoA / Corr / Immo / Incin / Conflag at < 3 seconds of immo, and if possible soul fire for execute range (Incinx2->SFx2 I believe is working).

Thanks for the great work thus far though. Its interesting at how close the lock specs are looking to each other dps wise.
mmm i think
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

molten core is real good if you keep COA up
i feel loosing 3 % crit and 3 % fire damage is worth the 15% chance for 10% more fire damage. some want to crunch the numbers.

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Old 02/26/09, 8:00 PM   #2578
Anjuna
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Uther


I forgot to turn off titles and guild names. Runes appear just under the player frame, can see them faded out.

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Old 02/26/09, 8:35 PM   #2579
Skorp
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Blackrock
I wasn't sure which forum to post this question, and I might have been listed before, but, I'm curious. Out of all the spreadsheets, which do most people believe is the most accurate in terms of comparing dps? I personally know of 3 that I use, but I get different results. They are:

1. Rawr
2. Theory Craft-o-Matic
3. Magegraf

I see mainly rawr listed with even it's own post, so is it safe to assume the answer is Rawr? I like rawr, with exception to it's gem options. Also, are there any other good spreadsheets that you'd recommend that I haven't listed?

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Old 02/26/09, 8:40 PM   #2580
darthdusty
 
Human Warrior
 
Kael'thas
Same Here

Originally Posted by Jacelin View Post
K well i am a lvl 80 night elf TG warrior. Fairly well geared except for a few epic lvl 70 pieces i am wearing. My rotation is BT, WW, slam on crit, and heroic strike as a rage dump. My problem is I am not able to pull off more than about 1900 to 2k dmg in 10man naxx and no more than 2.5k in 25 man naxx. I have seen other fury warrior putting out twice my numbers and i cannot seem to figure out how. Any help would be very appreciative. Thanks alot.
Seems like i'm in a similar situation as you. I have good gear, do the rotation everyone says is best, try to keep my hit and exp capped, but am i missing something? One bad thing i know of is my comp isn't the greatest but how much do you think that affects me? I'm probably just a noob but any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 02/26/09, 9:50 PM   #2581
Burks
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Sen'jin
Finally! I will have the perfect title! Bwahahahaha!

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Old 02/26/09, 10:31 PM   #2582
Grunge
Don Flamenco
 
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Human Rogue
 
Kor'gall (EU)
Those who were missing a few candies from Be Mine!, it's time for rejoicing, I was missing 2 and was awarded "the Love Fool" on PTR.
If this is intended or not remains to be seen.

Fans glory to the Gladiators,
Gods glory to the Heroes.

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Old 02/26/09, 11:35 PM   #2583
mcloud777
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Human Death Knight
 
Suramar
I have been using this spec in PTR and it works great.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...6&version=9626

My rotation goes like so,

PS-IT-BS-BS-SS-DC
SS-SS-SS-DC-DC-REPEAT

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Old 02/27/09, 1:54 AM   #2584
Skorp
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Orc Warrior
 
Blackrock
Anyone? would really appreciate some opinions/feedback here.

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Old 02/27/09, 3:08 AM   #2585
typobox
Don Flamenco
 
Human Priest
 
Alexstrasza
Originally Posted by PSGarak View Post
MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Change Hearthstones to 30 Minutes.
Long story short, Hearthstone cooldown will be shortened to 30 minutes in 3.1, as partial compensation for ghetto-hearting from an instance sending you to a graveyard instead of hearth location. It's also one of the fastest reversals, and strangest blue threads, I've read.
Cue a bunch of shamans complaining about how they need a buff now.

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Old 02/27/09, 3:14 AM   #2586
Duuberman
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Tauren Shaman
 
Terokkar
Originally Posted by typobox View Post
Cue a bunch of shamans complaining about how they need a buff now.
I vote they build in the astral recall glyph into the ability QQ

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Old 02/27/09, 3:27 AM   #2587
1337beast
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Sargeras
Originally Posted by Doozel View Post
how are the DW 1h builds looking? is there a benefit to speccing that way with the TG nerf?
The nerf to TG is not implemented YET. It will be only in patch 3.1 (in 1-3months) so you still gotta wear 2x 2H as of now.

Some people did a bit of raw testing for DW 1h VS TG on the PTR and from what it seems right now, they seem roughly equal in terms of DPS.

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Old 02/27/09, 4:08 AM   #2588
bibby
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Area 52
Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
I would mainhand the Jawbone and offhand the Betrayer. Faster offhand will be better for rage generation and 9 DPS isn't really saying anything but "it's down to personal gusto".
Wouldn't this lower ur WW dmg and rage gen? since U would hit harder with BoH in Mh.

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Old 02/27/09, 5:43 AM   #2589
silmarieni
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Human Warlock
 
Cho'gall (EU)
3/41/27 for those who need suppression

Zakalwe,

Can you please test this spec?

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

It is your 0/41/30 Felguard/Emberstorm except 3 points were added in suppression and 3 points were taken from emberstorm.
BTW, would this be the optimal way to get the 3 points for suppression or should they be taken from elsewhere?



Thanks a lot,
Sil

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Old 02/27/09, 6:12 AM   #2590
Lucifa42
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Al'Akir (EU)
Sorry, I maybe I wasn't clear.

I don't have SNR or the bracers - I would like them

My other ring is Ruthlessness.

I'll try out the spreadsheet, thanks.

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Old 02/27/09, 6:24 AM   #2591
SkunkApe
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Mannoroth
Have to say I'm quite liking the 3300 crits I'm getting on my Rip/Rake ticks on the PTR. All that with just MotW and no snazzy new Savage Roar glyph.

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Old 02/27/09, 6:52 AM   #2592
camullo
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Gorgonnash (EU)
Could you perhaps do the calculation again with the new Glyph of Aimed Shot (reduces CD by 2secs)? thx in advance

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Old 02/27/09, 9:16 AM   #2593
silmarieni
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Human Warlock
 
Cho'gall (EU)
Originally Posted by Dawei View Post
Bad idea. Lets do some napkin math to see why. If you are 1% away from the hit cap, then 1% of the time your spells will not land. This is more or less equivalent to missing 1% of you dps. So that means each point put into Suppression is a 1% damage increase until you are hit capped. Compare that to each point in Emberstorm. A single point is a 3% increase in fire spell damage. Lets say fire damage is making up 50% of your damgage and the rest is from your pet and shadow spells(In reality, fire will probably make up much more than 50% of your damage). That means a single point in Emberstorm is a 1.5% dps increase in dps. And that doesn't even account for the Incinerate cast time decrease you get from Emberstorm. Now that was some pretty rough math that is not completely accurate but I believe it would be better to miss out on the hit cap than take points out of Emberstorm. Emberstorm is half the reason that specs even works as well as it does. Like I said, the math was rough so feel free to correct me if I did something dumb.
OK so the best the solution for 3.1 would be:
- use a 40 hit food buff (at a cost of a 46 spell power food buff) for an additional 1.5% hit
- do whatever it takes to itemize with 1.5% more hit before the update.

?

I sure wish they put the 3% hit talent in either demonology or destruction ;-)

Thanks,
Sil

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Old 02/27/09, 10:45 AM   #2594
Hexin
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Shandris
I'm not real happy to see 41/30 coming out on top in the simulation, as it is the most boring spec to me with one of the simplest rotations. GC did allude to the fact they may need to make dots crit for 200% for both spriests and lock, possibly through talents (maybe ruin will become applicable to all spells, instead of just destro?) ... Hopefully either that will come to pass or deep destro will get additional attention. Having such a strong min/maxer mentality, I won't be happy with a second-best spec just because I like playing it more.

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Old 02/27/09, 3:31 PM   #2595
Azamil
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Darkspear
sarth + 3d

What is a warrior tanks most likely role in Sartharion 3 drakes? What are our requirements for that fight? How much hp/avoidance/threat do we need to do it?

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Old 02/27/09, 4:14 PM   #2596
Polkadotz
Glass Joe
 
Undead Priest
 
Scarlet Crusade
thanks

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Old 02/27/09, 4:17 PM   #2597
Kavtor
Glass Joe
 
Troll Warrior
 
Darkspear
Tanking adds or drakes. You don't really need anything that you probably don't already have if you're attempting it. (your armory gear looks more than sufficient)
A block set is good for adds, and a couple pieces of BT shadow resist help out on drakes.

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Old 02/27/09, 5:11 PM   #2598
tr33hugger
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Gorgonnash (EU)
i just lost fun in tanking

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Old 02/27/09, 9:02 PM   #2599
Quick
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Agamaggan
also included in those notes:

Viper Sting re-designed: Stings the target, draining 4% of mana over 8 sec (up to a maximum of 8% of the caster's maximum mana), and energizing the Hunter equal to 300% of the amount drained. Only one Sting per Hunter can be active on any one target.
while the return of mana is nice, it now only drains 20% of what it used to. what im wondering now is that because it drains so little, will anyone take the gcd to actually dispell it anymore? could be a buff in that sense.

edit: looking at druids abolish poison, it costs 13% base mana. With their base mana, it costs around 455 to cast. Assuming 15000 mana and 4% drained, they only save themselves 150 mana by dispelling it, and would probably lose more mana dispelling if it got a tick off, rather then just letting it go its duration.

Last edited by Quick : 02/27/09 at 9:38 PM.

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Old 02/27/09, 9:58 PM   #2600
Dranaerys
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Spinebreaker (EU)
Shiv: This ability can no longer generate a critical strike, and the poisons it applies cannot be critical strikes either.
Last nail in the shiv build's coffin.

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