Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1062

inthearmynow99 · 04/13/10, 4:01 PM

I've run through the last 59 pages ctrl F'ing and trying to find nything really indepth about sham style armor penetration and I've only found minor references to it. As well as Levva's Shamtastic post about all things Shammy. Sept from what I've seen there isn't much mention about AP and Enhancements. I've heard from several other classes that they have to stack AP like it's going out of style (ie Fury War's from what I hear). But no one seems to have any info about it for us. I've tried to figure out the sim's for it but I apparently am cross eyed and loopy cus I can't figure that thing out at all.

So... the question is ArP and Enhancement... how well do we play together?

Adapt and Over Come.

Zeikfried · 04/13/10, 4:17 PM

I have a question regarding runeforges; specifically, which goes on which hand.

Everyone says MH should be Fallen Crusader and OH should be Razorice...but shouldn't that be the other way around?

Unless I'm mistaken, each hand has an equal chance to hit, and therefore there's an equal chance for procs on either hand. Moreover, Threat of Thassarian makes it so both weapons hit on specials, so offhand weapon procs should happen on specials.

However, the more powerful - and more likely slower - weapon is typically put in the main hand, because that hand hits harder and we want to maximize damage.

So wouldn't it make more sense to put Razorice on our stronger weapon, so as to gain that extra few points of damage from the +2% Frost damage, and Fallen Crusader on our more-likely-to-be-faster offhand?

Or am I wrong somewhere and missing something?

Teremai · 04/13/10, 4:38 PM

I have 2 small questions:

1. I have checked on this forum and haven't found an answer on this, is it better to wear mail on lvl 40 or just keep wearing leather?

2. Is it still worth to be BM hunter or is it just better too choose SV on low levels?

Celistia · 04/13/10, 5:19 PM

Devastated by the blood DPS DK loss as well--my Death Knight was my first 80 after switching from a boomkin at 55. This guide was extraordinarily helpful in solidifying my build and rotation; hopefully Blizzard will change their mind come Cataclysm.

powershoes · 04/13/10, 6:10 PM

I’m a bit curious because I’ve recently picked up Scourge Reaver’s Legplates (264),
[Scourge Reaver's Legplates]
and I’m wondering if I made a mistake by doing that or not. I already have the 4pc set bonus without them, but I’m slightly under the expertise cap now. (12 unbuffed, 22 with glyph).

secarepus · 04/13/10, 6:25 PM

it sad to see the program you rely on for your upgrades not work any more

sad times
Please try to fix this as quick as possible,

i noticed that when i check the heroism/bloodlust option, it gives negative values to my gear, and of course it wont give any good advice on optimization option

Katashii · 04/13/10, 8:27 PM

Dunno if this has been answered yet, but if both PW:S and Divine Aegis are up at the same time, which gets absorbed first?

VAtech · 04/13/10, 8:36 PM

-Abakus- · 04/13/10, 8:50 PM

Originally Posted by inthearmynow99

I've run through the last 59 pages ctrl F'ing and trying to find nything really indepth about sham style armor penetration and I've only found minor references to it. As well as Levva's Shamtastic post about all things Shammy. Sept from what I've seen there isn't much mention about AP and Enhancements. I've heard from several other classes that they have to stack AP like it's going out of style (ie Fury War's from what I hear). But no one seems to have any info about it for us. I've tried to figure out the sim's for it but I apparently am cross eyed and loopy cus I can't figure that thing out at all.

So... the question is ArP and Enhancement... how well do we play together?

Adapt and Over Come.

Armor pen is not an ideal stat to gear for, since such a large part of our damage ignores armor anyway (Maelstrom Weapon LB, Earth Shock, Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Magma Totem, Fire Nova, Flametongue Weapon, Lightning Shield, etc.)

Archibad · 04/13/10, 9:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ragnernon

I know, there are already lots a BiS Lists on the first page, but it would be great if there is one for heroic too, without Arthas HC loot.

there is. its right next to the heroic list.

Grummy · 04/13/10, 9:26 PM

Selece, awesome UI. Mind uploading?

Vigil Mortis · 04/13/10, 10:14 PM

Just some random thoughts:

Inner Will: Could be just situational (if the cost is low enough), or something mainly for the healing speccs, as mana-management will be much more important than massive heals.

Leap of Faith: I can think of many current bossfights, where this could save players or the raid (Lichking Valkyrs is the best ^^). Of course only if the priest can analyse the situation fast enough. And if someone complains because I didn't save him, I would answer: "I only save people who play seriously!"

PW: Barrier: Not sure if it's that good: More Shields in less time = more time for direct heal (they said that too) = nerf shields to not overpower the disc. I would want the disc to be on par with a pala in healing tanks (as in being able to heal/shield 2 tanks) and not just another grouphealer.

Mindspike: If they want it to be used in the way they intend, they have to insert a mechanic to lock the dots if you use spike (like for every dot on the mob it makes less dmg). Otherwise it will be the new Mindflay in our priority-list.

Shadoworbs: Increase Dmg (nice) and maybe can be consumed to get boni on spells (very nice). Could be a bit hard to time it right, but it sounds interesting. Not so nice: If orbs just have a procc-chance, we could end up like a moonkin without eclipse-procc -.-

And the Main Point: Support of the Shadow!!!!!
After the Patch a Shadow supports the Group by:
*Replenishment (i think i heard they want to nerf it too, plus there is a bunch of classes which bring this)
*Groupheal

Well an Arcanemage brings:
*Dmg%
*Slower Cast Time (Debuff)
*Heroism/Bloodlust

Or the Retri:
*Dmg% (like the arcane)
*Haste
*Replenishment
*Judgements (not 100% sure about the english term ^^)

Doesn't seem fair to me, but I guess we will get some other support.

Keggar · 04/13/10, 11:43 PM

Hello folks!

Tonight I won [Sanctified Dark Coven Gloves] in VoA. I was wondering if it would be an upgrade due to the set bonus (I'm destruction) or a loss due to the haste being lost from my current gloves, [Gloves of False Gestures]? I've used some spreadsheets, but I'm getting different results.

Also, I will have 95 badges tonight. What would you suggest I upgrade?

I was thinking my chest to the 264 badge chest.

I appreciate any help offered

EDIT: Forgot, I had my pally set as my character. This is my lock: The World of Warcraft Armory - K�gger @ Gurubashi - Profile

Zzasikar · 04/14/10, 1:43 AM

I've been searching the net trying to find some information on this but have come up short. I guess it's quite a specific question, but if it has been asked before somewhere in this huge thread and I've missed it, I apologise.

How does Heroic Bryntroll with Frost subspec rank up against Heroic Cryptmaker with Blood subspec if the wielder is an Orc (and thus recieves 5 expertise from Bryntroll)? I have 4 pieces of mid tier T10, legs from Sindragosa heroic 10 and full 264 offpieces. Death's Choice and DBW (both normal) as trinkets. I've been trying to run the simulator, but I'm having trouble to get it working on this computer for some reason. I would work it out in my head but I'm also having trouble finding accurate stat weights for heroic Bryntroll's proc.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Fluke300 · 04/14/10, 3:10 AM

So I tend to run my own sims and my data is usually inline with what I see on the OP in this thread...however...the last Sim I ran showed Greatness to be above War Token by a considerable amount.

Am I missing something? Is War Token really > Greatness?