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04/15/10, 1:50 AM
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Von Kaiser
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I personally hope (and I have hoped for this throughout whole WotLK) that rage costs and income is roughly cut in half across the board, so there is simply a greater buffer to manage your rage and not the current scenario, where you go from zero to full in about 3 crits...it simply is too spikey. I would hope that the numbers on HS are just an example and it even does not scale directly with the Inner Rage buff, so that if you have 45 rage, not everything is gone when you HS with the buff, but more like the base cost is increased (the 10 rage to 15) and the scaling mechanic stays the same. So you would only consume up to 35 rage. What will also be of interest is the new Execute, as it is identical to HS then (with current knowledge). And as said by keseph, Sudden Death will also be useless in its current form. Lets hope that Execute will not become simply a better scaling HS that you use <20% :/ . |
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04/15/10, 3:36 AM
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Glass Joe
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Rage Normalization is Goooood!!
Originally Posted by Powgout
One handed weapons generally have faster attack speeds but does less damage, combine it with flurry the new speculated single minded talent and we can be looking at very fast swings here with low dps, BUT and that’s why I quoted Powgout, Bliz said that rage normalization is going to work per hit, doesn't specify whether is crit/glance, just has to be a hit to get 100% rage for a not decided factor for main hand and 50% rage of same factor for offhand. Taking this into consideration fast attack speed will generate huge amounts of rage which can be used for abilities but also will get you up to 100 rage a lot faster getting you inner rage. Now I believe this will be like 10-20 sec buff that ticks down, and as long as its active you'll do double damage for double rage cost on abilities. Since 1 handers hits so fast the damage lost for not dual wielding a 2handers will be made up in getting rage/inner rage faster than the dual wielding 2hander spec For dual wielding 2handers we will be slow...very slow, generating rage will be a problem for us, BUT bliz stated that in the fury tree "extra swings" would we the tree mastery or focus or even maybe in a talent, but I suspect that this extra attack plus existing fury might just put us on par to not feel the rage generation hurt that much, but we still would be generating half of that is we would have been using 1handers. I believe they are going to remove the titan's grip penalty to damage. Now dual wielding 2handers might be slow, thus rage generation is also slow, but we would be hitting insanely hard, where we would be getting 2 heroic strikes to the 4 of 1handers the dps would either be more or equal in comparison, and once we eventually hit inner rage effect that 800-1k 2 hander would be hitting for about 4-5k even more per swing. It's going to be choice between fast attack speed/low damage per hit - slow dps to max or slow attack/high damage per hit - fast dps to max, but in end their both going to be completely be the same in damage output. I don't think warrior tanks will have anything to worry about, I believe most of the agro generating attacks are going to be better cause the actual attack after hitting inner rage is going to be more and thus generate more agro, this is also a benefit as I believe it will add a little to tanks aoe tanking ability, and just having Vengeance will mean you will be able to hold agro for just standing there. I don't think tanks will have problems with rage generation due to fact that they have less time to worry about holding agro and more time to do other things such as shouts, use rage generating abilities. The change in sunder effect I believe is to not try and hurt tanks but make the ability more generally usable by all types of warriors, so that its not expected of a tank to be the only one to put up sunder if other warriors are in party or if only warrior in party is dps. One thing I would like WOW/Bliz to consider is that a warrior can go beyond being a warrior and become a "being of killing", what I mean by this is that it would be possible by some means (Must be very hard and risky) to reach inner rage while it is still active. I wouldn't say double buff just a refresh or added ticks. Timing your rage perfectly should make this an awsome thing to achive for any warriors (can start hearing stories being told between warriors already) but very risky, messing up would probibly mean rotation is messed up, rage starved and overall dps decline. For the people that don't care they wouldn't even know thats its possible, and for the people who knows and tries it will be personally rewarding... might also be nice to just feel how it feels to catch a glimpse a second or so how it feels to be at the top of dps charts before coming down and normilizing (Just letting those mage/ret pallies know I can top you) Last edited by XCalibreX : 04/15/10 at 4:07 AM. Reason: Changed wording for easy read |
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04/15/10, 4:58 AM
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Von Kaiser
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You're missing this:
Slow weapons: Slow but bigger chunks of rage incoming. Fast weapons: Fast but lower chunks of rage incoming. After an enough big amount of time, both weapons should give similar rage. This is the only way that the system makes sense in a world of fill all GCDs. They'll balance around the new 1-hander +Damage modifier talent. I personally don't feel comfortable with the new chose between dual 1-handers or dual 2-handers for Fury. In my opinion Blizzard is playing with fire here. They are adding more complexity to the enough hard job of balance Arms vs Fury vs rest of DPS classes. Let's hope that I'm wrong though... EDIT: Sorry don't know what happened but I was replying to the guy who said that the new rage normalization will benefit a lot to fast DW 1-handers. But the post has been removed. |
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04/15/10, 5:04 AM
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Glass Joe
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04/15/10, 5:28 AM
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Bald Bull
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ArPen is completely independent from Sunder, i.e. Sunder increases your DPS even if you're at 100% ArPen. And low/top end damage doesn't really affect your DPS at all (over an indefinite period), it just affects the variance in your hits. As for the Rupture spec and the spreadsheet, the sheet does not incorprorate yet the recent changes to Rupture (that it can crit now even without the T8 bonus). You can force it to do so though. |
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04/15/10, 5:42 AM
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Glass Joe
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Current arms rotation
I don't know if i am doing it wrong and some of the posts out there is kinda outdated so would to get it corrected if i am doing it wrong :|
My current single rotation. Charge => Rend => Mortal Strike (hitting in as soon as it comes off CD) => Sunder/Slam (sundering on bosses until something procs) => Overpower => Execute => Bladestorm (25-30 rage with this rotation so I dont waste rage) Priority list would look like this Rend, Mortal Strike, Over power, Execute, Bladestorm. And work sunder armor, slams, and heroic strike in there. two targets or more Charge => Rend => Thunderclap => Mortal strike (Jaggernut) => Bladestorm (Sweeping Strikes) => Slam till something procs => Over power => Execute Priority list: Rend, Thunderclap, Bladestorm (Sweeping Strikes), Mortal Strike, Over power, Execute, Slam. And work slams, and cleave in there. The World of Warcraft Armory - Caszum @ Kilrogg - Profile If anyone was interested in my armor there you go  I just rolled arms after being tanking this whole expansion so my gear isn't optimal just yet. |
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04/15/10, 9:06 AM
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