Alright can anyone tell me what the rotation with kill shot as second spell cast is because you can use that untill the boss is at 20%. Also what is the average agilty and dps supposed to be for a survival hunter?

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can any1 tell me simple macros for Tricks of the Trade without target change and with /w, ty and sorry for disturb.

You do understand the word "will" is prior to something happening and thus cannot be a criticism of something that has happened? Not that I expect I will get an apology.

I agree with that, and certainly we wish to see best case. But what I am saying is I read comments like (and I paraphrase) 'wow all the specs are so close and all are viable', which is true but limited in 'real' raids. ie. in a raid where you do not have a second affliction lock or you do not have an ele shaman then aff may perform worse than indicated by this 'best case' simulation.

However, if the specs are so close as the simulation suggests then maybe then there is not a clear spec winner and people will spec by playstyle preference, so then you have to ask is a combo of aff+DP more or less DPS than a aff+aff combo given that DP will outstrip the Ele totem in T8 especially if they fix the SPI bug (which GC has stated is indeed a bug). I also disagree that it's a "very weak" talent as I provide 260SP right now without the SPI being included - we cannot recruit an ele sham, tho raiding all of TBC as aff I am enjoying the change anyway.

I guess the point I am getting at is a DP build will put out that DPS if no other locks are in the raid and indeed close to it without even an ele shaman, whereas a affliction lock will require other afflcition locks in the raid and a ele shaman to reach that DPS. That doesn't invalidate the affliction result but it should be considered when deciding on just how viable a spec is.

You are correct I haven't, and for some reason whilst I posted what I did about doomguard on page 7 the forum did not include the post until page 10 when others had explained that. I still have a suspicion that the nerfs to aff are done with the idea that aff will be able to use a doomguard frequently on farmed content - ie. I am predicting a slight change to the doomguard mechanic. Notice how with the DG it's the highest DPS again, I believe that may be the longer term intent.

Arcane Spell Cycle

Hey all, ive been away the past few weeks and have just been able to start reading the forums again and have noticed talk that ABx3(Mbar or Abar) is no longer the best cycle to use for arcane atm due to Abar recent nerf.

Ive done some searching back through past posts, etc and havent come across a definite answer. I sounds like what people are saying is that ABx3AM (Abar when moving) is the best rotation to be used.

I was just wondering if someone might be able to clarify this please? Im sorry if the answer to this is shown somewhere clearly, i havent been able to see it yet.

The very first page has the rotations.

Thanks Kelfar, i had a look over the first page and everything seemed similar to before, maybe ive missed something. Ill look over again tonight, thank you.

I have a quick question about the base stats used in the simcraft. For example:

Player=Warlock_T8_00_56_15 DPS=5908.6 (Error=+/-1.2 Range=+/-585) DPR=17.7 RPS=334.8/276.7 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19353 mana=20722
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=14.1% crit=16.7% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=11.3% crit=12.3% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%

Player=Warlock_T8_03_52_16 DPS=6044.6 (Error=+/-1.2 Range=+/-582) DPR=18.8 RPS=322.2/262.9 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19353 mana=20722
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%

Why is that again?

Has ANYONE seen this drop anytime in the recent past? We havent seen one the entire time we've been doing Naxx 25. It's almost like it's not even on the loot table anymore...which maybe isnt all that far fetched if they're adding it to badges. Any confirmation that it is still dropping (i.e. someone who has recieved it in the last couple weeks) would make me feel better. It's one of the few things I feel I need to be ready for Ulduar. BoH being one of the others. Our second one of those dropped last night and I lost out on it to a Ret Paladin.

You cannot possibly be loosing the sigil of awareness to a paladin... You might have skipped on what was discussed and didn't realise the reply was about the sigil going on ptr for 25 marks.

Dropped ~3 weeks ago for me.

Random loot is random. We've had a lot of Sigils of Awareness drop. All our DKs got one and we have disenchanted many.

So far the best numbers are being put up by DoomGuards and that seems to me to be a bit of a gimmick given that on "most" raid bosses you are not going to use it. The Question I am looking to answer is what is going to be the highest DPS spec for raiding which I suppose is a different question that what is being answered here.

So far that spec appears to be 0/41/30 which isn't what it appears with the graph that shows affliction as the hands down winner but only because of the use of a DG..

If we are going to compare specs with DG's can we get the DG damage added to all the specs and perhaps break them out into their own set of graphs?

Reading comprehension FTW. I said our second BoH dropped last night, which I lost to a ret pally.
As a side note we had 2, yes 2, Inevitable Defeats drop on the same trash pull last night.

ty sir.

yeah, i'm glad i got all my leveling in before the nerf. But i still love my gorilla! (even after 3.1 when he has to share thunderstomp with all the tenacity pets)

I dont want them to take out the mounts

I appreciate all the input on this thread, it has really helped

I think it will be sad when they nerf explosive shot again

running the old instances is fun, just sometimes time consuming...

I use a 22 inch monitor, and have xperl and barttender....a few other addons, make it pretty simple, spaced and easy to see

just too bad they nerfed

I wish they would not take out the mounts

I think the ammo change is going to be cool, same with the double spec

the ability to access the stable from a distance is interesing...