Hi guys I got a question regarding the trinkets . Currently I only got access to 10man heroic and normal25. And I am full time fireball Mage, and play arcane occassionally. What are the trinkets for fireball Mage and arcane Mage? I assume trinket from normal rotface and sindy are the best for fireball Mage? Trinket from normal and trinket from heroic gunship are the best for arcane Mage(I don't have trinket from heroic anub)?

Aha! Give that woman a cigar!

Thank you, that's exactly what's happening. When I look at the ehps values for 2pT9, I see exactly what I was expecting to see with hep: 67 ehps for the first half, 410 for the second half, and 191 combined.

Statistics FTW

The list would be very similar at top end with both DV and Deathbringers will dominating BiS (according to my stat weights, as one of the posters above me stated: his stat weights put HWT as being better than DV). My feeling is that most people will probably find DV to be a better investment, especially considering that on movement fights, HWT will lose more effectiveness than DV will.

Thought I had mentioned that. :-) Elemental. I checked Team Robot, and it was showing a dps increase, not suure if it factors the set bonuses. Picked up a mark to upgrade my helm so I went ahead and got the 25 shoulders.

did you miss the entire first post of this thread? you know, the one that talks about specs, gems, rotations etc? and your guild is right about the gems btw... honestly, you need to read a bit, all your questions have been answered in the very first post.

So what is the trinket priority order? I don't see anybody mentioning WFS/(H)WFS. I have all trinkets available to me except for heroic DBW and I'm not really sure which 2 I should be using. I suspected WFS would be worth more to Frost than Unholy because of the higher crit weighting.

Sorry for the sidetrack, but time do die monitor and trinket monitor. Are there a couple mods I should be looking at to download for this. Trinkets aren't too bad, but time to die would be really nice to know on some progression encounters.

I think it will be very similar to Unholy, but as mentioned earlier you will need to plug in your stat weights to figure it out. For unholy it goes (H)DBW > (H)DV > DBW > HWT > DV > (H)WFS > WFS. I bet it's very similar for frost, but it also depends on the fight considering movement and such. On Tank 'n spank fights HWT is very good, where as DV and WFS are better on movement fights.

I would always pick BS/JC again as a tank, because you can have avoid or whatever pushed to the limit.
LW or mining just have straigth stamina, but nothing in between. On most of my tanks, I run for gloves/bracers with a total of 3+ sockets and gem them with dragoneyes in the BS sockets just as I desire (max EH or max Avoid) to not have any trouble while switching the gear and have more the 3 dragoneyes active and re-gem each time, because bracers and gloves are always nice slots to switch.

The flexibility of a BS is always worth 2 additional points in stamina.

Ever thought about engineering? Those extra armor is quite sexy on your gloves and it has decent tools for dps, too.

My list is something like:
JC > BS/Engineering > LW/Alchemy > Enchanting > Mining

as i see this bis of gear list i was wondering, is it good goin for this setup but normal gear to start with? meaning have the hands as offset aslong you have those from dreamwalker?

I don't think I made myself clear, I was talking about mage fireball spec. With more than 781.59 haste and taking into account only Wrath of Air totem (100% uptime) + Swift Retribution / Improved Moonkin Form (100% uptime) + T10x2 bonus , you get your GCD < 1sec. So its not a 20secs situation... Now you can add into account heroism, power infusion, black magic proc, haste potion, etc and find a number that better suits your fights. I said 800haste for the sake of easy math calcs but I guess you'd rather say I'm wrong rather than do the maths yourself.