You only BS once every 20s. 10 BS's is 200 seconds, 3min 20s. I have multiple posts explaining what I've dubbed the "split rune rotation." Not getting into detail here since I've already posted it multiple times along with tips, but it involves separating your B/D runes from UF in order to give 4 dump phases per 20s rotation. From his parse, he more than likely runs a rotation very similar to this or he just runs a regular rotation similar to what UH would use. It's hard to tell how many KM procs he's using.

FS will hit harder than BS at any gear level. BS doesn't gain any benefit from most of frost's talents which makes it hit for less than a wet noodle. FS also uses RP while BS is a blood rune...so I don't even really understand the question...

ARP, str and haste give you higher possible dps. Crit and hit really just give you better rng. If you have enough logs (which lets be honest there are A LOT of logs available), someone with 0 hit, 0 exp and minimal crit will eventually come out on top since due to the small probability that they will eventually never miss or be dodged and crit every single attack. I'm not saying he's bad or anything or that he just got good rng (although his crit rate is significantly higher than would his raid buffed crit would be), just pointing out that decisions shouldn't necessary be made on a single parse. You need to find trends rather than what might just be an outlier. We've been discussing arp vs str gemming and at higher gear levels arp does seem better, but this is at higher gear levels only. Finding trends is just difficult since sims seem to frequently be inaccurate, there is a lot of rng and there seems to be a lot of "close calls." (IE str vs arp, maybe UH presence vs blood presence, haste vs crit, several talents, etc.)

I'm just wondering my arp + sunders combination in rawr so I hope some one knows why its working like it is now.

The problem is that my gear + battle stance gives me 97,53% ARP so with ARP food I gain 100,53% ARP which should be the hard cap right? Well the issue that I sure dont understand is that how can sunders still boost my damage? If I test it with rawr, remove all other buffs but ARP food my DPS rating is 5584. So now rawr shows that i got 100% ARP but still enabling sunder armors for my buffs it increases my DPS rating for 407. How can this be?

This shouldn't be true? Average white dmg is based on ave wpn dmg * wpn speed. Now Bloodfall/Bryntroll might be getting more swings in than Shadowmourne, but they hit for less each swing.

Hello!

I have a question about the 0/17/54 Frost Unholy Skill.

I have not yet a procc weapon like Bryntroll, but i have the feeling i make also more damage (sourfang Axe) than the 14/0/57 Specc!

I´m using the typical unholy rota! (without reaping)

Is Bryntroll still the best weapon for this specc?
Make it sense to play the 0/17/54 specc before Bryntroll having as Mainweapon?

Thanks for the Answers!

Thanks shinobi for pointing me towards the desired addon.

And you guys are right when it comes to macro's. I wrongly translated some terms and words to dutch, my native language and therefore missunderstood.

I never got the hang of macros. I didnt invest much time for it eitherbut I find myself changing my gameplay/style only when I come across situations where I walk against a wall.

At the moment I am spending time reading into macros for being resto in pvp to become more efficient while healign in 2vs2 and battlegrounds.

Utte, your explanation made me realize I had missread and wrongly translated words.

Ehh... as I told I have ARP hard cap from gear + battle stance + ARP food.

I sure do know that sunder armor (-20%) cannot be calculated with my personal ARP because its is just debuff for the target and my personal ARP is what matters for my attacks. But the point is that if I already have 100% ARP how can it matter anything does the target that im attacking have lets say base armor without sunders 10000armor or 8000armor when there is sunder armor applied? No matter even the target had 1miljon armor and my ARP is 100% the DPS should be same.

I'm *very* new at this level of playing WoW, but if you have the T10 2 peice set bonus as well as the WoA totem you should be able to get away with NOT being at the haste soft cap, especially if you were to take into consideration the 3% haste gain from ret paladins or balance druids in raid.
If your already at 1195, then I'd either do some regemming or not drop WoA.

Again, I'm pretty new at this level of playing and would also like to see different perspectives of this situation.

I'm also curious, what the hit cap is.
It should be 10%.
But in many places it's said to be 263 hit rating. And this gives only 9% of hit.
Am I missing something?

And yeah, I'm drenei cute one really!!!

Armor penetration - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

Scroll down and look at Ghostcrawler explanation....

Sunder/FF are mob debuffs and applied outside of your ArP Rating. 5xSunder +FF = 25% armour reduction, the maximum debuff possible on a mob. ArP rating is the maximum % of the remaining armour that will be ignored.

If you think in these terms:

Armour reduction is a mob debuff.
Armour penetration is a player buff.

Your Armour penetration % = the max remaining armour ignored, after mob debuffs.

Or

You can never fully penetrate 100% of a mobs armour without also using 5xSunder & FF.

Simple ArPen Calculator for more info.

P.S. You will have to forgive my spelling of the word "armour", as I am English, so have to use the correct spelling of Armour in my own language rather than the American spelling that Blizz would like us all to adopt

My apologies for posting something irrelevant to the current conversation.
I've read most posts in this topic and i haven't found a satisfying answer to my problem.

I've been experimenting with 2 weapons : The heroic version of Bryntroll and the normal Glorenzelg.

After some hours of testing on the dummies, i couldn't see any significant dps increase while using Bryntroll. On the contrary, Glorenzelg seemed to perform better.

My tests were on the boss dummy, and they were 5 min sessions without any buffs apart from improved BoM, SoV and retribution aura. (I'm also using TAJ + death's verdict)

Some numbers: My stats while using the Glorenzelg set and without any buffs at all :
Damage : 2691-3182
Speed : 3,13
Power : 6105
Hit Rating : 286
Crit Chance: 39,28%
Expertise : 26
Ar. Pen : 140

Stats with Bryntroll set :

Damage : 2587-3071
Speed : 3,01
Power : 6109
Hit Rating : 258
Crit Chance: 35,27%
Expertise : 26
Ar. Pen : 205

Normally, I can figure these things out easily with rawr etc. but in this case, i dont trust my rawr modeling of brytroll+TAJ. I'm pretty sure i've messed up the values somewhere.
I know that dummy testing isn't very reliable and in many cases it's misleading since raid buffs change things alot.
So i'd like your opinion on this.
Should there be some notable dps increase from Glorenzelg to Bryntroll heroic?
Is there any synergy at all with Bryntroll and TAJ?
Is my observation (Glorenzelg > Bryntroll hc ) wrong?
Thank in advance for any feedback.

Edit : In heavy cleave fights wouldnt it be preferable to swap back to glor so i can get the stat benefits? Is there any chance the drain life proc could make up for all the lost stats?