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Old 04/25/10, 2:18 PM   #16276
sean2358
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Stormscale
Here's a question that came to me only after much thought:
Since a large part of a MM hunter's damage comes from Serpent Sting and Chimera Shot, would a few points of Spell Pen benefit those shots similarly to Armor Pen benefiting Auto, Steady, and Aimed?

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Old 04/25/10, 2:23 PM   #16277
Miran08
 
Human Warrior
 
The Underbog
Hello,
I am having problems with my dps on fury spec. Im basically all in ICC gear, with teir 10 4pc. My dps is roughly 6k which is rather low for the gear i have. I believe its my rotation that is causing problems. Currently what i do is HS>BT>WW>SLAM when proc, then repeat with a rend macro also invovled. Basically asking for opinions or certain rotations that people do. Thanks for the Help

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Old 04/25/10, 2:26 PM   #16278
sean2358
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Stormscale
Here's a question that came to me after some thought:
Since Armor pen is an effective stat for our physical damage (auto, steady, and aimed) is it worth getting any spell pen for our non-physical damage (serpent sting, chimera, arcane, and volley)?

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Old 04/25/10, 2:30 PM   #16279
Encadi
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Olala
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Non-US/EU Server (EU)
Has anyone find a solution for when you use the BT/UA macro the runes dont get fucked up?

my rotaiton is something like:

IT>PS>Ob>BS>Pest>(FSx3)>obx3>(FSx2)>Obx2>BS>(Bt/UA)>Pest

and then just (FSx3)>obx3>(FSx2)>Obx2>BS>(Bt/UA)(whenavaible)>Pest


MY Macro is:

#showtooltip Unbreakable Armor
/cast Blood Tap
/cast Unbreakable Armor
/cast Raise Dead
/run if UnitBuff("player","Unbreakable Armor") then CancelUnitBuff("player","Blood Tap") end


sometimes it works fine but 90% of the time instead of having 2 death runes after it for the 3 obliterates i have 1 blood and 1 death, any reason why this happens? why it doesnt happen all the time? ideas to fix it? is the macro wrong?



thanks

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Old 04/25/10, 2:38 PM   #16280
Kahdrick
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Daggerspine
Originally Posted by Encadi View Post
Has anyone find a solution for when you use the BT/UA macro the runes dont get fucked up?

my rotaiton is something like:

IT>PS>Ob>BS>Pest>(FSx3)>obx3>(FSx2)>Obx2>BS>(Bt/UA)>Pest

and then just (FSx3)>obx3>(FSx2)>Obx2>BS>(Bt/UA)(whenavaible)>Pest


MY Macro is:

#showtooltip Unbreakable Armor
/cast Blood Tap
/cast Unbreakable Armor
/cast Raise Dead
/run if UnitBuff("player","Unbreakable Armor") then CancelUnitBuff("player","Blood Tap") end


sometimes it works fine but 90% of the time instead of having 2 death runes after it for the 3 obliterates i have 1 blood and 1 death, any reason why this happens? why it doesnt happen all the time? ideas to fix it? is the macro wrong?



thanks

I think it's because of when you BT>UA rather than actually your macro. Blood Tap will instantly activate your blood rune on the longest cooldown, so if you have two blood runes up, use one to BS, and then run your macro, you'll end up with one blood rune up and one death rune on cooldown. What I'd do if I were you is BS > Pest and then pop your macro. That should work fine.

Even better (or, safer, depending on how you want to look at it): BT > UA after you Oblit through your two death runes. Then if one comes back as a normal blood rune it won't matter, because your next use of those two runes is going to be for a BS > Pest.

Shamrogue FTW!

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Old 04/25/10, 2:51 PM   #16281
Encadi
Glass Joe
 
Olala
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Non-US/EU Server (EU)
I think using the macro there would fuck the rotation and not have enough time to hit pestilencei guess you mean tusing it:

(FSx3)>obx3>(FSx2)>Obx2>(Bt/UA)(whenavaible)>BS>Pest

Also do you agree with the macro syntax?

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Old 04/25/10, 3:00 PM   #16282
Kahdrick
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Daggerspine
Originally Posted by Encadi View Post
I think using the macro there would fuck the rotation and not have enough time to hit pestilencei guess you mean tusing it:

(FSx3)>obx3>(FSx2)>Obx2>(Bt/UA)(whenavaible)>BS>Pest

Also do you agree with the macro syntax?
Not really, that would put your rune on cooldown right before you need it.

I was thinking:

(FSx3)>obx3>(Bt/UA)(when available)>(FSx2)>Obx2>BS>Pest

The whole point is to use blood tap as close to when the blood rune you're converting is initially used as possible. Thus, if your second of the three oblits used your 2nd death rune, I'd Bt/UA right then, and then do the 3rd Oblit.

As for macro syntax, I'm not really familiar with the /run portion. My macro is:

/cast blood frenzy
/cast Blood Tap
/cast Unbreakable Armor

Looks like this should be basically the same result.

Shamrogue FTW!

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Old 04/25/10, 4:25 PM   #16283
Encadi
Glass Joe
 
Olala
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Non-US/EU Server (EU)
removed /run if UnitBuff("player","Unbreakable Armor") then CancelUnitBuff("player","Blood Tap") end l, and now all works fine

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Old 04/25/10, 7:27 PM   #16284
grim4o4
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Troll Hunter
 
Dalaran
Originally Posted by sean2358 View Post
Here's a question that came to me after some thought:
Since Armor pen is an effective stat for our physical damage (auto, steady, and aimed) is it worth getting any spell pen for our non-physical damage (serpent sting, chimera, arcane, and volley)?
The quick and dirty answer is no. Arp removes armor which every target has, while spell pen reduces resistances which are pretty much nil in wrath. Spell pen is useful for pvp because of mark of the wild and the resistances some races have. Most bosses don't have spell resistances, so spell pen is useless in pve.

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Old 04/25/10, 8:02 PM   #16285
Iime69
 
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Gnome Mage
 
Echo Isles
Rawr Love It

Upon suggestion of a raid leader I DL Rawr...so far it has been a very cool tool to enure the status of gear and talents...The first thing I found was that I was really over on my hit. Gear will come to those who attempt to work at their toon.

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Old 04/25/10, 9:57 PM   #16286
Powerslave
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Orc Shaman
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
I'm unsure whether I should reply to this or not,but if you're doing 6.000 DPS in ICC gear (assuming full raid buffs) you should probably stop trying to use rend and focus on doing the main part of the rotation correctly.

Authoritah!

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Old 04/25/10, 10:36 PM   #16287
Iime69
 
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Echo Isles
Between Rawr and Magegraf. Which is better? Or are they similar?

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Old 04/25/10, 10:52 PM   #16288
ihlexz
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Dath'Remar
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Last edited by ihlexz : 04/26/10 at 9:23 AM.

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Old 04/25/10, 11:49 PM   #16289
Miran08
 
Human Warrior
 
The Underbog
OK, since i did post my rotation, am i doing this correctly??
Basically
>20% life (boss)
WW-BT-Slam <proc>, HS when rage>60

<20% life (boss)
WW-BT-EXC-HS rage >80%

Any opinions?????

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Old 04/26/10, 1:01 AM   #16290
pimentalp
 
Orc Shaman
 
Burning Steppes (EU)
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