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Old 03/06/09, 11:11 AM   #2701
Niemandem
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Hunter
 
Krag'jin (EU)
thanks for the quick answers

So tonight I'm gonna respecc to 6/14/51 and replace my shoulderpads of secret arts and the hyaline sniper helmet with 2 more T 7,5 pieces (i have them in the bank).

According to the spreadsheet the most DPS (without totally new items) I can gain right now is with these 2 Items plus the Hunter's Mark glyph, even if I'm not hit capped anymore, but I'm hoping to get Black Ice asap, which would allow some regemming and bring me back to hit cap.

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Old 03/06/09, 12:39 PM   #2702
Naforce
Piston Honda
 
Human Warlock
 
Frostmane (EU)
EDIT: soon to be deleted.

Last edited by Naforce : 03/06/09 at 2:26 PM.

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Old 03/06/09, 12:51 PM   #2703
LordeX
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Onyxia (EU)
Originally Posted by Tinwhisker View Post
Actually, based on the name I believe they knew exactly what they were doing.
This is a rogue-tankweapon noobs! xD

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Old 03/07/09, 7:01 AM   #2704
Erushnak
Banned
 
Orc Warlock
 
Dalaran (EU)
I wonder

ISB "nerf" 5%
Inci: glyph 5% + MC
Still SB > Inci ? (MC -> immo, SB, aura)

Sould I spamm inci in deep demono ?
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9637
with glyph: meta, inci, gg (maybe immo, life tap ?)

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Old 03/07/09, 7:36 AM   #2705
DeathSniper
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Arthas
Looks much better - tyvm Fendryl

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Old 03/07/09, 11:35 AM   #2706
Stormownage
 
Human Rogue
 
Norgannon
Hey guys, quick question for you all great theorycrafters =).

If the following change hits live in 3.1 :
-Poisons will most likely (are now) PPM
-Glyph of Envenom -- Your Envenom ability no longer consumes Deadly Poison from your target.

A fast OH won't be as important as it is now, therefore a Slow/Slow setup is now possible again due to changes to poisons. Losing 0.4 speed on OH means some reduced FA procs, but also harder mutilate hits.

*** So theory crafters *** My question to you is, since a fast OH is no longer needed to reapply DP fast (not losing stacks when using envenoms), will the extra damage comming from the lost of 0.4 speed on the OH (switching from 3.1 *pre-envenom glyph change setup SR/WD to SR/SR with the new glyph) outweight the lost of some Focused Attacks procs of a fast hitting OH.

I will pretty much try it myself on the PTR, but I just want some theory first since I'm at work
Thanks.

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Old 03/07/09, 3:24 PM   #2707
Bigalicious
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Chromaggus
Originally Posted by Curtis View Post
@Big : i would switch the shield for the badge offhand and spend some badges for T7 chest.
thanks, ill look into that offhand. if i was to switch out that 4h chest, i could slip back into [Fallout Impervious Tunic] perhaps

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Old 03/07/09, 5:15 PM   #2708
Devirz
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Ясеневый лес (EU)
Can someone try

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

?

it dc(ub?) ghoul glyphs

rotation like...

ps-it-bs-ub-it-bs-ps-dc-it-it-it-it-rp dump

max desecration and ub uptime

slow\fast weps

FC\Razorice

blood pres

it sigil

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Old 03/07/09, 7:09 PM   #2709
tiggers
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Al'Akir (EU)
Hi guys i was thinking of going arms so i'm not sharing a raid spot with other fury warriors in my guild, i would be using the gear i have right now and using Armageddon and going sword arms spec Gear (Clicky) the problem is (i see it as a problem) that i'll only have 33.68% crit and 3062 AP in battle stance if i want to stay hit capped. Would you see that as a problem having such low crit? or do you think i would be better off staying fury until i can get a few more upgrades or Betrayer of Humanity? (next in line for it ^_^)

Cheers

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Old 03/07/09, 8:54 PM   #2710
PantheraOnca
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Daggerspine
This is not the thread for that.

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Old 03/07/09, 8:59 PM   #2711
Xaveor16
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Stonemaul
Originally Posted by Xaveor16 View Post


What font is that? and what bar texture do you think that is?
Any help?

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Old 03/07/09, 9:10 PM   #2712
tiggers
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Al'Akir (EU)
Originally Posted by PantheraOnca View Post
This is not the thread for that.
Well instead of being sarcastic and no help at all and wasting a post, wanna point me in the right direction?

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Old 03/08/09, 4:07 AM   #2713
relax_ok
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Blackwater Raiders
improved poisons

can someone confirm/deny that improved poisons has been fixed on PTR?

i've seen several people ask it here and not seen an answer either way..

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Old 03/08/09, 5:43 AM   #2714
Iolanta
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Sporeggar (EU)
can some1 test this one with gear ~ it

in unholy/blood presence using IT/BS/OB. rotation like FS on KM proc. HB on Rime proc. and with 2h with same iLvl.

thanks for help.

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Old 03/08/09, 7:54 AM   #2715
Exodied
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Hyjal (EU)
Hello all !

I have been wandering, since i'm a blood DK since the beginning now, how would dual work until 3.1. So I respeced into a classical 32/39 idea which seems pretty good. I have Slow(fallen crusader)/Fast (razorice) !

I am just asking for a simple, classical rotation for like Heroics or maybe raid 10 for both single et multiple targets since its a totally new world for me.

Thank you in advance !

Exø

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Old 03/08/09, 10:04 AM   #2716
Sprintsz
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Thaurissan
Time to bend over to the warlocks again unless we get some decent (or any) changes in 3.1.

They've got about 50 so far.

And we have....2? and there pvp buffs to a tree that will never be PVP viable.

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Old 03/08/09, 6:50 PM   #2717
Growler
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Kel'Thuzad
im having a blonde moment and cant decide between t7.5 chest or undiminished BP.

can swap out helm for titansteel with same gems/chants to keep 4pb.

Obviously i gain 100hit and raise my exp to 28. Is this too much for 2h & 25's?

The World of Warcraft Armory

** i have the WORST luck on bracer drops >.<

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Old 03/08/09, 9:13 PM   #2718
FrostMage
Banned
 
Gnome Mage
 
Rivendare
Originally Posted by TigaFin View Post
My priorities:

- DPS should scale so that it keeps up with other specs
- Kiting & snaring is a core functionality of frost and frost mages shouldn't need to sacrifice it all to get raid-competitive DPS (a kiting build could maybe do hybrid-level DPS). Rank 1 frostbolt is a core spell and the current frostbolt glyph mutilates it.

Those are the goals...how they are implemented is separate matter.

Some less important matters:

- Deep Freeze should be worth speccing for PvE
- Ice lance should be worth casting on bosses without gutting brain freeze

If deep freeze and ice lance are part of the normal arsenal in addition to frostbolt and fireball, I think that's plenty of buttons to push, especially considering that you also have to keep the water elemental alive, pop ice barriers to minimize damage intake etc.

- I don't need a mana dump.
- I don't want frostfire bolt in my rotation (although I'm willing to use it on frost-resistant targets, if it does good enough DPS).
Scaling and kiting cant be fixed with an ice lance glyph and I think thats the only dps buff frost mages will see
this patch. A simple frostbolt glyph that read "Your top rank frostbolt hits increase the critical strike damage bonus of your Frostbolt, and FireBall spells by 10%. Stacks up to 5 times. Lasts 10 seconds" Scaling is now respectable, it's not worth the glyph spot in pvp and one of the abilities that makes a frost mage a frost mage is not removed.

As for deep freeze when would you use it? the first FoF charge would be Frostbolt since youre half way done casting, the second has to be a cast with a cast time, and the third they want for Ice Lance. Id rather have frostfire bolt added to my rotation than a pvp talent with a gimmick to make it pve viable. One pvp spell(IceLance) with a gimmick to make it pve viable is enough. The reason I like frost over fire is im not just sitting there watching timers, Id rather play whack a mole without a timer attached to each hole. Deep freeze will add that fire feel to frost.

Last edited by FrostMage : 03/08/09 at 11:35 PM.

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Old 03/08/09, 10:03 PM   #2719
Myrix
Glass Joe
 
Myrix's Avatar
 
Human Mage
 
Fizzcrank
Hey guys, love the thread.

I'm particularly interested in nerubian lore and desperately want to see more of Azjol-Nerub, especially considering how awesome the atmosphere in Ahn'Kahet was. Reading the posts in this thread about how it seems Yogg-Saron was originally destined to be an Azjol raid boss, and not imprisoned in Ulduar at all, got me thinking about how that could still happen despite his defeat in Ulduar.

I ended up spilling those thoughts on my blog if any of you guys are interested in reading it. Check it out @ The Wandering Rogue » Making Patch 3.2 Amazing: Azjol-Nerub!.

Now, I don't want to just throw my blog in people's faces, so if you don't feel like clicking through here's the rundown:
  • Isle of Quel'Danas type patch with Quests/Dailies, a new 5-man, and a new raid. The new quest hub features Baelgun Flamehammer at the Doorward as well as a neutral faction of nerubians who you can earn rep with.
  • The quests/dailies focus on clearing out the Scourge from Upper Kingdom, featuring extensive phasing as you win back the upper reaches of the city and make it your own.
  • The 5-man features the rise of a new King of Azjol-Nerub and has players fighting off Scourge, Twilight Cultists, enemy nerubians who are allied with Yogg-Saron, and Faceless Ones. It is a winged 5-man like Scarlet Monastery.
  • The raid has players delving into the deepest parts of Azjol-Nerub, eventually finding that Yogg-Saron has physically spread into the bowels of Northrend. Here they'd battle more Faceless Ones and other completely new aberrations created by Yogg-Saron. Eventually, the raid would culminate with an encounter with a Forgotten One (finally confirming that they are not Old Gods, but their closest servants and guardians) who is protecting the "core" of Yogg-Saron. Once this is destroyed, Yogg-Saron's influence and corruption will truly begin to fade.

Check out the post if you feel like reading about it in more detail, and I'd love to get your opinions on whether or not this would be a fun raid for 3.2 Also, any criticisms or corrections are appreciated. I love the lore, but I'm not necessarily an expert!

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Old 03/09/09, 12:13 AM   #2720
paETZ
 
Undead Rogue
 
Anetheron (EU)
hey guys,

i know it's a big favour ito ask for, but if someone would be so kind to spend a few minutes on spreadsheet running my rogue through it. due to the fact that i aint got windows office, and open office just won't do the trick for me, could someone help me out?

i just don't get it how to reach one more time a top dd position, despite the common rumors that we can't deal "top damage" anymore, i want to maximize what is possible for me.

here is the link for my rogue, please also consider that from monday on i can call the darkmoon card: greatness my own.

The World of Warcraft Armory

even a fiew tips, concerning poisons ( "am i able to pull off double wp?" ), maybe a rotation advice would be so great.

4912dps can't be the top of the iceberg... :/

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Old 03/09/09, 12:26 AM   #2721
Xaoc
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Eitrigg
1) This isnt the forum to be asking that type of question
2) In any of the forums, questions like that are not received well, and will generally be shot down
3) You'll probably want to ask in whichever forum you puled the spreadsheet out of, how to get OpenOffice to work correctly

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Old 03/09/09, 3:34 AM   #2722
DarkAscent
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Destromath
Thank you.

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Old 03/09/09, 6:56 AM   #2723
silmarieni
Banned
 
Human Warlock
 
Cho'gall (EU)
Thanks for the piece of information!

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Old 03/09/09, 12:25 PM   #2724
soodenim
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Ravenholdt (EU)
Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
It's assuming incin/incin/SF/incin/SF/incin/SF/..etc. I don't think there should be any problem keeping up such a rotation, all you need is max range and a minimum of like 400 haste after buffs.

Of course that's assuming a target that isn't moving around too much, but you can always use life taps and insta casts to adjust if the boss does change position, so you don't really need the target to be completely static either.

With the new glyph choices it does appear that 41/30 has become the top DPS spec.

Having run a couple of Simulationcrafts I am finding that it is worth keeping up corruption during the final phase.

But only if you are using the 2 piece Tier 7 bonus.

I am new to Simulationcraft so apologise in advance if I have got this wrong.

J

Last edited by soodenim : 03/09/09 at 8:31 PM.

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Old 03/09/09, 3:06 PM   #2725
Ezareth
Don Flamenco
 
Goblin Mage
 
Tichondrius
Originally Posted by Infuri View Post
Something worth noting is that the earth's grasp talent does not effect the Glyph of Stoneclaw shield. This makes sense as it doesn't actually increase the amount absorbed either.

Also of note for elemental pvp is the change to toughness being 10% stam instead of 10% armor.
Noted, although I wouldn't take toughness for a PVP buildmyself as it costs me 10 yards on flame shock and 18% Crit bonus to lava burst, as well as Eye of the storm which is somewhat useful.

I'll be using the following with my PVP Build next patch:

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

With the Glyphs:
Glyph of Stoneclaw Totem
Glyph of Hex
Glyph of Flameshock

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