Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1093

blak422 · 04/29/10, 4:49 PM

i will give this a try

blak422 · 04/29/10, 4:54 PM

lots of good stuff

reyialin · 04/29/10, 5:50 PM

Any one have the idea/tips how to stack deep wounds more or less stable/effective?I mean on typical heroic25 saurfang/festergut i do about 12-14k dps.But when i do 12k i notice my wounds tick for max 4-6k and when i do 14k+ my wounds tick for 8-10k.
I want them to tick everyfight for 8-10k but seems its pure random or whatever,iam right?
I do same rotation same openers (pre fight armor pot/haste pot+ deathwish and reckleness prefight).
But dots tick always random for me.

bobo7312 · 04/29/10, 6:45 PM

i am currently doing heroics and fairly new to tanking here is a link to my build The World of Warcraft Armory - Blackalice @ Kirin Tor - Profile any sugetions fro experienced tanks and death knight tanks would help a lot

bobo7312 · 04/29/10, 6:52 PM

i am looking forward to the new expansion to streamline death knight tanking abilities into one tree

Kenjuno · 04/29/10, 7:20 PM

Posting for a guildmate of mine. Whacka from Timeless on Lothar-US

Concerning the resto druid haste cap:

Taken from the resto druid itemization thread. Found here: Restoration Itemization

If 1.5 (Base GCD) / (1.03 (3% from Boom/Ret Aura) * 1.05 (5% from WoA Totem) * 1.10 (10% from GotEM) = 1.2608
Assuming this is the correct tree calc for 3.3

then 1/1.2608=.793 1-.793=.2069 so: 1.5/ (1.03*1.05*1.10)=1.2608 : 1.2608-(1.2608*.2069)=1 20.69*32.79 (32.79=1% haste)=678

20.69 is the magic number, not 26.08

so 20.69% (17.69% with CF) haste is what is needed for a 1 sec gcd. I believe the problem was 1-1.2608 is wrong math, basic algebra solved this. Even the in-game tool-tip will prove this; check your nourish cast time (base is 1.5 sec). So the cap (without CF) shouldn't be ~856, it is 678 and with CF it is 580; assuming you have a ret pally or boomkin and wrath of air totem down.

Draewind · 04/29/10, 8:13 PM

In your list of addons, you state that Grid+Clique are a better combination for raiding because of Grid's ability to show debuffs. Healbot has been my main addon for healing. It was adapted everytime there was an encounter requiring a new ability of the addon. Healbot is by far the finest healer addon that one can use. It not only will display debuffs, but recolor the player bars and give aural warnings if you want them.

You may want to re-evaluate.

My Healbot even turns my character bar a special color when I do not have Water Shield and Earthliving applied. Here is an example of the way I use Healbot. Blood Queen fight, and one of my jobs is healing "Pact of the Darkfallen" with a Chain Heal as they run together. I am mid-cast on the Chain Heal:

Drae's Raid UI (this UI is a bit busy for most)

One of the most useful features is the aggro monitor. You can customize it to any level you wish. Through trial and error, I have it set to my liking and when I get an aggro indication on a player, the heal hits right as the damage is shown ... sometimes you barely see the bounce in health.

Rijndael · 04/29/10, 8:33 PM

Look, haste caps aren't hard.

Base GCD: 1.5 seconds. Capped GCD: 1 second. With all the buffs and talents (but sans CF), we have the equation 1.5 / (1.03 * 1.05 * 1.1 * X) = 1. X is equal to 1.26087505.

We need 26.087505% haste for the cap. 32.79 haste rating is 1% haste towards the cap. 0.26087505 / 0.01 * 32.79 = 855.409289 rating.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

If you don't believe the algebra, try measuring what your actual GCD is with your putative cap of 678 using combat log time stamps and compare with GCD values at 856 rating.

Kenjuno · 04/29/10, 9:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rijndael

Look, haste caps aren't hard.

Base GCD: 1.5 seconds. Capped GCD: 1 second. With all the buffs and talents (but sans CF), we have the equation 1.5 / (1.03 * 1.05 * 1.1 * X) = 1. X is equal to 1.26087505.

We need 26.087505% haste for the cap. 32.79 haste rating is 1% haste towards the cap. 0.26087505 / 0.01 * 32.79 = 855.409289 rating.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

If you don't believe the algebra, try measuring what your actual GCD is with your putative cap of 678 using combat log time stamps and compare with GCD values at 856 rating.

Basically the logic is:

If 1.5 (Base GCD) / (1.03 (3% from Boom/Ret Aura) * 1.05 (5% from WoA Totem) * 1.10 (10% from GotEM) = 1.2608

1.26*X=1 therefore 1/1.26=X so X=.793

1-X=.2069

Now to prove .2069 is right

1.26-(1.26*.2069)=1

20.69%=1 second gcd

This is just basic algebra..

Also, the proof doesn't even out in the equation you posted.

• Hamlet · 04/29/10, 9:30 PM

Haste rating works in the way describes in Rijndeal's post and not in the way described in your two posts.

Kenjuno · 04/29/10, 9:34 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Haste rating works in the way describes in Rijndeal's post and not in the way described in your two posts.

Can it be proven?

e|usive · 04/29/10, 9:53 PM

Aah ok. Yeah sorry, I probably missed the post on page 80, as I was scimming page to page...

Cheers!

Lightflower · 04/29/10, 10:14 PM

It literally took me 5 minutes to find with the search function.

Using the macro and methodology contained in this post, the 3.3 numbers come out as with this post.

Secondly, your error is that you invert the 1.2608 second base cast time then try to calculate haste off that.

Thirdly, this has been worked out, tested, re-worked, tested some more and it is now fact. Can we just move this sort of "I can't be stuffed using the search function" question into the Simple questions/simple answers thread?

Kenjuno · 04/29/10, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Lightflower

It literally took me 5 minutes to find with the search function.

Using the macro and methodology contained in this post, the 3.3 numbers come out as with this post.

Secondly, your error is that you invert the 1.2608 second base cast time then try to calculate haste off that.

Thirdly, this has been worked out, tested, re-worked, tested some more and it is now fact. Can we just move this sort of "I can't be stuffed using the search function" question into the Simple questions/simple answers thread?

Actually, using the methodology listed in your first post for using the built-in gcd macro:
/cast Thorns
/script local start, duration, enable = GetActionCooldown(4);DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(duration);

With 678 haste, WoA, and a Ret pally, it reads exactly 1.044. Thanks

Thirdly, can you actually do the math described above before tossing it off as not right?

SS:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4...2910230302.jpg

• Hamlet · 04/29/10, 11:11 PM

Just tested with 859 haste and WoA, no Moonkin Aura handy. Macro gives a GCD of 1.029. Also, my Nourish cast time in raids is 0.999.

Honestly the only reason I'm posting here is because I'm trying to figure out how you claim to clock a 1s CGD with 678 haste.

Anyway, it's verifiable for every spell with every class that a haste factor of X modifies the duration of spells and attack cooldowns by 1/(1+X), not by (1-X).

e: never mind, your edit shows 1.044 in the screenshot, not "1.002" as you said pre-edit, and this is exactly correct for 658 haste. So you were just posting stuff you hadn't yet tested for no reason.