The theory behind my question revolves around the purpose of the tank.

My basic thoughts for a tank:

1. Hold aggro so others can kill them
2. Protect all members (regain aggro)
3. Stay alive

One of my alts is a tankadin lvl 75. I have been pretty successful in dungeons holding aggro and keeping everyone alive by keeping aggro.

Yesterday I got lambasted by a healer saying the usual rants but that I should not be taking much damage which got me thinking. My def is 470 - 480 @ lvl 75 with about 13k hp. We were in Ahn'kahet: The Old Kingdom and when i got 4 - 5 mobs towards the end on me at times my health would drop to 5 - 6k but I never died and no one else ever took on any aggro.

My question is for anyone wanting to even offer any suggestion(s), should i have been taking on damage like that or was the healer right and I shouldnt have been taking so much damage?

Well you don't lose the buff though, I have tested it and you still keep the haste buff when you remove the relic.

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you can note i soket all Arpen, now i have a question...

Which are the best choise for Rune forging for single target boss? FC/FC, RI/FC?
and the best sigil? Awarnes or Hanged man???

Ok got question regarding the Haste caps

The haste cap soft cap is 1269 yes...

seen ppl going from "top" guilds shamans aim for "hard cap" what i beliave is 1400ish
is it worth to keep stacking haste over 1269? till 1.4k ish( yes i know it requires about full BiS gear)

Tell my pliz what bow better for sv njorndar(HC) or zod's (normal) / in shandara's calculator njordar better for 16 dps,in zerah's calculator zod's better for 20 dps. Whose calculator is lying ? proc 2.8 bow speed vs stat's 2.9 bow speed , I dont know what to chose.
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ok, first post here, although I have been a avid forum reader/follower. I have not seen anyone else with this type of concern, so decided I better ask myself. I have a problem with threat, I am constantly having my DPS pull off me as the fight goes on. When I check RAWR, says I need more expertise, I read forums here and other places, Tells me I need to stack more stam. Natureb on Korialstrasz, if anyone can check me out and advise me or least tell me where to get the info I require. My guild is currently in ICC25 reg we have gotten too but not yet downed LK

I've recently switched into being a full time Holy Paladin, from an Elemental Shaman and part time Resto Shaman. In that neck of the woods, the healing style focuses on completely gemming haste and focusing more on reactive healing rather than preemptive spamming.

I've read through the entire thread and haven't seen much discussion about this, so I wondered whether it's a consensus that drives paladins to primarily gem int and spam Holy Light (for me that results in 70%+ overhealing). What does the Holy Pally community think of pushing Holy Light closer to 1sec cast times without Bloodlust?

The problem with reactive healing as a paladin is that we are primarily tank healers (and secondarily nothing we suck at anything else).

Reacting to damage a tank takes, means at minimum if you are more than human, your heal comes 1.2 sec after the tank takes damage. This is a real problem when your tank is taking more than half his life in a single shot, therefor it is more beneficial to preemptively cast your heal (and spam it) to land, hopefully, as he is taking damage, or at least in-between large boss hits. If we bring human reaction time and server lag, your heal can come a full 1.6-2 sec after he takes damage if you heal reactively.

I came with homework!!

Unholy 0/17/54 Reapingless

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	1121714382	23.4	160528	9377	51142	31	5083.9	68482	41.5	10459.2	4444	2.7	40904	24.8	3555.8
ScourgeStrike	489218732	10.2	52336	9347.7	27544	51.3	5656.9	24792	46.1	13448.1	1408	2.6
Ghoul	467153159	9.7	393387	1582.9	243690	61.8	1124.8	51442	13	2249.2	808	.2	98255	24.9	787.3
DeathCoil	446706238	9.3	50097	8916.8	29167	57.4	6185.7	20930	41.2	12722.8	752	1.5
BloodStrike	333857128	7	69455	4806.8	40797	57.2	3346.2	28658	40.2	6886.1	1906	2.7
FrostFever	281500946	5.9	108054	2605.2	108054	100	2605.2									98
ScourgeStrikeMagical	269946540	5.6	52336	5158	27544	52.6	3121.7	24792	47.4	7420.2
Gargoyle	251828618	5.2	41423	6079.4	36081	85.7	5384.9	5342	12.7	10770.2	684	1.6
BloodPlague	237383612	4.9	108552	2186.8	108552	100	2186.8									98.5
BloodCakedBlade	163049728	3.4	47047	3465.7	47047	97.2	3465.7				1336	2.8
Ghoul: Claw	159305141	3.3	90510	1760.1	78639	86.7	1686.1	11871	13.1	2250.4	209	.2
WanderingPlague	153691757	3.2	64419	2385.8	64419	98.5					969	1.5
PlagueStrike	105470117	2.2	17728	5949.4	9337	51.4	3603.1	8391	46.2	8560.1	430	2.4
Necrosis	87177433	1.8	160528	543.1	160528	100
IcyTouch	87010732	1.8	17598	4944.4	10162	56.9	3420.3	7436	41.6	7027.2	257	1.4
Shadowmourne	52228264	1.1	16598	3146.7	16598	98.5	3146.7				252	1.5				96.8
Army of the Dead	49615503	1	272571	182	236826	86.7	179.5	35745	13.1	198.9	555	.2
UnholyBlight	44669242	.9	50097	891.7	50097	100
GCD Usage			215576		215576	100										93.1
Blood Rune 1			34821		34821	100										95.7
Blood Rune 2			34634		34634	100										95.1
Frost Rune 1			35057		35057	100										96.5
Frost Rune 2			34877		34877	100										95.7
Unholy Rune 1			35193		35193	100										96.8
Unholy Rune 2			34871		34871	100										95.6
Horn			1552		1552	100
BoneShield			1029		1029	100										85.7
DeathChoiceHeroic			8229		8229	100										34.3
DeathbringersWill			4114		4114	100										33.9
FallenCrusader			37023		37023	100										79.3
MH Blood-Caked Blade			48383		48383	100
Bloodlust			1029		1029	100										11.4
T104PDPS			97681		97681	100										97.8
IcyTalons			17598		17598	100										95.8
Desolation			69455		69455	100										99.1
HangedMan			52336		52336	100										98.5
OrcRacial			3086		3086	100										12.9
AshenBand			6707		6707	100										18.4
Hyperspeed Accelerators			6172		6172	100										20.6
DPS	13338(+/- 838)
Total Damage	4801.53m	in 100h
Total runic power used: 2157380 (0 wasted)
Threat Per Second	9017
Generated in	74s
Template:	Unholy 00-17-54
Rotation:	Unholy-ReapingLess
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	HangedMan
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

Unholy 0/17/54 Reaping

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	1117312341	23.5	159770	9383.8	50788	30.9	5085.8	68280	41.6	10461	4422	2.7	40702	24.8	3555.9
ScourgeStrike	628483974	13.2	67146	9360	35480	51.5	5675.9	31666	45.9	13487.8	1813	2.6
Ghoul	464314470	9.8	392020	1578.8	242820	61.8	1121.7	51277	13.1	2243.6	805	.2	97923	24.9	785.4
DeathCoil	447877786	9.4	52386	8549.6	30403	57.2	5924.5	21983	41.3	12180	788	1.5
ScourgeStrikeMagical	347392467	7.3	67146	5173.7	35480	52.8	3138.1	31666	47.2	7454.4
FrostFever	286298659	6	109839	2606.5	109839	100	2606.5									95.8
Gargoyle	252498158	5.3	41317	6111.2	35985	85.7	5409.4	5332	12.7	10848.1	683	1.6
BloodPlague	241981171	5.1	110399	2191.9	110399	100	2191.9									96.3
BloodStrike	164751279	3.5	34469	4779.7	20234	57.1	3325.4	14235	40.2	6846.9	954	2.7
BloodCakedBlade	160970040	3.4	46834	3437	46834	97.2	3437				1330	2.8
Ghoul: Claw	158830194	3.3	90513	1754.8	78642	86.7	1681.2	11871	13.1	2242.2	209	.2
WanderingPlague	156230473	3.3	65422	2388	65422	98.5					978	1.5
PlagueStrike	103827079	2.2	17459	5946.9	9208	51.5	3603.3	8251	46.1	8562.4	420	2.3
IcyTouch	86307421	1.8	17428	4952.2	10026	56.7	3417.6	7402	41.9	7030.9	254	1.4
Shadowmourne	50001697	1.1	15856	3153.5	15856	98.6	3153.5				227	1.4				96.9
Army of the Dead	49937365	1	278003	179.6	241799	86.8	176.9	36204	13	198.1	527	.2
UnholyBlight	44790009	.9	52386	855	52386	100
GCD Usage			212710		212710	100										89.8
Blood Rune 1			34435		34435	100										93.7
Blood Rune 2			33728		33728	100										92.6
Frost Rune 1			34229		34229	100										94.1
Frost Rune 2			33849		33849	100										93.1
Unholy Rune 1			34279		34279	100										94.3
Unholy Rune 2			33844		33844	100										93.1
Horn			15791		15791	100
BoneShield			2057		2057	100										98.3
BloodTap			716		716	100
DeathChoiceHeroic			8229		8229	100										34.3
DeathbringersWill			4114		4114	100										33.9
FallenCrusader			34459		34459	100										77
MH Blood-Caked Blade			48164		48164	100
Bloodlust			1029		1029	100										11.4
Reaping			34469		34469	100
T104PDPS			82641		82641	100										97.8
IcyTalons			17428		17428	100										93
Desolation			34469		34469	100										98.9
HangedMan			67146		67146	100										98.6
OrcRacial			3086		3086	100										12.9
AshenBand			6610		6610	100										18.1
Hyperspeed Accelerators			6172		6172	100										20.6
DPS	13227(+/- 1029)
Total Damage	4761.8m	in 100h
Total runic power used: 2250440 (0 wasted)
Threat Per Second	8935
Generated in	60s
Template:	ReapingFrost
Rotation:	Unholy-Reaping
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	HangedMan
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

So considering all the RNG factors, the in-game situations, with or w/o reaping is better in single target DPS?

This might seem like a stupid question, but why put the three points into ravenous dead if you don't have the permanent ghoul? Is there a reasoning for this or is just because the timed ghoul is used more often than death coil/death and decay (morbidity) and death grip (unholy command)?

How highly valued is the proc on the heroic bryntroll compared to other stats?

As someone who recently started doing hard modes I have acess to HM Bryntroll and HM Cryptmaker.

Assuming 0/17/54 and a gearset where all of the hit on the Cryptmaker is utilized, is this more valuable than HM Bryntroll?