Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1104

gijsie4 · 05/06/10, 9:35 AM

hey i was wondering if you do more dps with combat in lets say a saurfang fight
you just ss when its possible or wait a bit 2 pool energy?
dunno where you benefit the most from

Bigchipper · 05/06/10, 9:43 AM

A little help please with trinkets...I have in my posession the 245 Death's Verdict, 251 WFS, 264 HWT, and 264 DBW (was going to get sharded). Excluding DBW, which two would work best? RAWR is telling me HWT and DV, but I feel that I'm probably better off with DV and WFS...thoughts?

tommynt · 05/06/10, 9:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mitranim

Since it would require you to drop either WotN or Anticipation, while the sole reason you spec into a hybrid build is WotN + Frigid Deathplate (with 5/5 Anticipation of course).

For 10 (and few 25 ) man raids there might more reason to spec hybrid as there will be very rarely a enhencment shaman be in the raid lineup. Also agro might be a nonissue if you find yourself being 2nd tank/offtank in most fights.

with for example a spec like Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft u provide both attack power buff and melee haste while loosing only 1% dodge in survival compared to the "usual" blood build which might even be covered by the 4% more strength giving a little bit of parry.
Main thing lost is the selfheal via fewer deathstrikes

In terms of agro, loosing epedemic and morbidity seems like a nonissue in icc as there are no Bossfights with multiple adds.
How the single target agro works out with 25% more haste but no deep blood talents might be hard to calculate but as allready mentioned it might even not matter.

bobekk · 05/06/10, 9:46 AM

Originally Posted by kryst

This is what I came up with for 10 man normal. I'm not sure if it's completely optimal, but it's a good starting point.

NOTE: This list consists of only 245 badge gear, 264 badge gear, crafted gear and drops from ICC10.

Assume Tailoring/Jewelcrafting, Undead, 4000 SP Warlock for Demo Pact (a little low, but we are talking 10 man only). Obviously the set will change depending on professions, racials, etc.

Helm:	[Bloodmage Hood]	[Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]	[Purified Dreadstone]		[Arcanum of Burning Mysteries]
Neck:	[Soulcleave Pendant]	[Reckless Ametrine]
Shoulders:	[Bloodmage Shoulderpads]	[Reckless Ametrine]			[Greater Inscription of the Storm]
Back:	[Volde's Cloak of the Night Sky]	[Reckless Ametrine]			Lightweave Embroidery
Chest:	[Bloodmage Robe]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Purified Dreadstone]		[Scroll of Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats]
Wrist:	[Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]			[Scroll of Enchant Bracer - Superior Spellpower]
Hands:	[Bloodmage Gloves]	[Reckless Ametrine]			[Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower]
Waist:	[Circle of Ossus]	[Purified Dreadstone]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Eternal Belt Buckle]
Legs:	[Leggings of Woven Death]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Purified Dreadstone]	Sanctified Spellthread
Boots:	[Deathfrost Boots]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Purified Dreadstone]		[Scroll of Enchant Boots - Tuskarr's Vitality]
Finger:	[Cerise Coiled Ring]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]
Finger:	[Ashen Band of Unmatched Destruction]	[Reckless Ametrine]
Trinket:	[Muradin's Spyglass]
Trinket:	[Talisman of Resurgence]
Main Hand:	[Halion, Staff of Forgotten Love]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Reckless Ametrine]		[Scroll of Enchant Staff - Greater Spellpower]
Off Hand:
Wand:	[Wand of Ruby Claret]

Score: 11506.00
DPS: 11503.44

i dont think this is good configuration, i mean what about hit cap ? theres no single item with hit stat there, im correct ?

Nastrand · 05/06/10, 10:45 AM

Here is what I am thinking with what we know so far.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?sham...l,rNOeOR,11927

davek · 05/06/10, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Nastrand

Here is what I am thinking with the first look so far without us having numbers to justify it.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?sham...l,rNOeOR,11927

I doubt it will be intended that we run without Imp SS at all when we're squeezed down into what will likely be a ~7K mana pool. I'm currently leaning more towards this while pondering if taking Elemental Mastery for the instant cast utility as a spare cooldown might be interesting to fiddle around with.

Fondell · 05/06/10, 11:03 AM

I was wondering... Since I'm not a TC-freak and the Arcane Thread gives me absolutely nothing, I was wondering if the gem setup with 12SP + 10Haste in every slot still applies to gear over T9? There was a terrific thread about Arcane mages that I can't seem to find anywhere with a "standard" setup of explaining gear, specc, gems etc.

LiNK2088 · 05/06/10, 11:26 AM

Thanks alot! It's working again

kc102 · 05/06/10, 12:11 PM

There was a DK tank in my old guild who DW tanked, he said you ended up with a ton of Rune Strikes compared to 2H tanking. Also, with the 1H stam/defense enchants it isn't as horrible going DW.
As for fast or slow weapons, I'd imagine a fast and a slow would work best, as you wouldn't run out of RP really fast, and still hit hard. (Slow MH, Fast OH)

painweaver · 05/06/10, 12:57 PM

Hi guys. I was curious to know if anyone has a chart with dps per stat point that's current? For both arcane and fire. Like how much dps is 1 point of crit haste sp and int? Also, currently my guild has a bad Mage curse going on and im the only raiding mage. My dps is better as fire, but is it better to go arcane for the 3% dmg increase?

Griggsy · 05/06/10, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by painweaver

Hi guys. I was curious to know if anyone has a chart with dps per stat point that's current? For both arcane and fire. Like how much dps is 1 point of crit haste sp and int? Also, currently my guild has a bad Mage curse going on and im the only raiding mage. My dps is better as fire, but is it better to go arcane for the 3% dmg increase?

The number is not static so no one can give you "the" answer as the weighting of stats is dependent on your current gear stats.

For example, if you are below hit cap the DPS per stat point of hit is much higher than if you are at hit cap.

Same with any stat - they are all relative.

If you want specifics you need to plug your gear and stats into Rawr, Simcraft, or Magegraf to get numbers specific to you.

Genoce · 05/06/10, 4:13 PM

Originally Posted by Genoce

PS. I actually recorded the kill, but I haven't edited nor uploaded it yet... we'll see if I ever get enough energy to do that

Yes, I am quoting my self. Just hopping back here to say that I finally got the Ragnaros kill edited and uploaded.
YouTube - Enha vs Ragnaros

I covered most of the tips on my original post... just as a reminder though, the biggest thing is having the correct spec. If anyone manages to do it with normal spec (and possibly record it), I'm happy to hear about it.

Maybe at some spot where you dont fly into the lava...?

Tarik@eltistjerks · 05/06/10, 4:17 PM

Yes blood DPS willbe memable but think about it this way then we get a devoted tanking spec even though we will be forced to go to frost or unholy i am a new member feel free to educate me

Tarik@eltistjerks · 05/06/10, 4:58 PM

This page got me thinking why not a 2H versoin of frost DPS go a little bit deep (say 39-46 points in frost) and spend the rest in Blood and unholy becuase well to be honest Frost strikes like Obletrate go for big weapon damage becuase of threat of Tharassian so why not change that into 2H my computer with WoW isngt working but im gonna test this once i get it back.

Caitiffsxe · 05/06/10, 5:35 PM

I've been playing around with a lower level Warlock, and kinda twinked myself out a little bit with an Abyssal Bag. Since that holds all 32 shards that I can use, once that's full, any time I use Steal Soul to kill something, I get the "You can't hold any more of those items." message. Is there any command that I can use as a macro to get rid of that message?