I find Enrage can handle it fine, so just rotate Enrage and Barkskin for each one, saving cool-downs for bad things like Holy Pally getting picked up or something. That is with ~85k HP with Organ buff up and 44-45k armour.

Also remember if you're using Sindragosa trinket for stam you can use it for the initial shadow damage from the first part of Soul Reaper in combo with Enrage. The spell tool tip is partially confusing as it seems to work differently. The initial damage is partially resistible but the after 5 second burst shadow damage doesn't seem to be resistable (at least I never resisted the second part). Whether the first hit is shadow damage or the shadowflame type (takes lowest resist/armour) I'm not sure but higher resist definitely seems to affect it.

Few examples if anyone's interested, spoilered so as not to take up the whole page.


Just Barkskin (nice dodges though):


Just Enraged Defense (whoops, missed the initial hit waiting for stun as I'm also backup valk stunner):



This one was on a bad try where healers were picked up and infested so I'd had to use lots of CDs early and had nothing up for this Soul Reaper. Even then the damage was manageable.

Edit: Nvm, someone else provided a better explaination for +4agi yellow sockets.

If you want to do insane HPS that makes your way to the WoL top, there's a lot to it than just switching some gear pieces; if you don't, then you're better off staying outside of the portals and letting shamans do the gathering. Holy palading do 14+k eHPS easily this way, very competitive with portal wanderers.

That there are lots of other thing to consider i am aware of. Normally I have something around 25+k eHPS (resulting in about 7.5-8.5mio healing total) in this fight - much like your Holy Pally Abbatt. The second heal inside the portals is our (only) shaman - we send only two heal inside in 25HC.

I'd like to shorten the fight time a bit, so my question is, which stat improves mathematically the output more, haste or spellpower.

"I'd like to shorten the fight time a bit, so my question is, which stat improves mathematically the output more, haste or spellpower."

Obviously, they scale in relation to each other, but if what you want is just raw dummy thoughput, i'd guess SP is the stronger stat. As stated earlier in this thread though, you get "safer" throughput with haste.

I have downloaded the warlock spreadsheet to help me plan out gear progression as well as make a more customized picture of my own stats. While doing this I have found results which fly in the face of the "conventional wisdom" that I have heard repeated. For my current gear, I have the following results (solo no raid buffs):

(Sangdraxx, Scarlet Crusade)
Demo: 5100's dps
Dest: 4600' dps
Affliction: 4400's dps

It should be said that I have some T-9 but haven't purchased any T-10 yet (part of why I was looking at the spread sheet). So what is odd here is that with my current gear, the spread sheet is telling me that both unbuffed, and fully raid buffed, deep demonology actualy does a significant amount of damage more than Dest (my current spec) and even affliction which is at the bottom right now.

So here lies my confusion. When people say that "affliction is the highest dps" does this only hold true with best in slot gear, and full raid buffs? I know a targeting dummy isn't the best test, but according to my current results, solo or fully buffed, Demonology would be better dps for me. If I set the spreadsheet to the pre-set gear, and give it a full set of buffs, the "conventional" Affliction = top dps holds true, with Demonology in 2nd. So I tend to believe the calculations are correct... and therefore I will switch to Demon. now for both the great buff AND an increase in personl DPS.

So what I am asking here is... can someone confirm for me that this isn't a bug or a miss calculation. Does it make sense that at a less than end game setup, Demonology can be the top personal DPS?

Thank you Vaccine. I forgot to mention the Sindragosa's Flawless Fang trick in my original post.

I had noticed that as well when we first started getting into phase two when an Aura Mastery (Shadow) was up from the previous Infest and I resisted about 1/5 of the damage.

I must say I find the guide extremely useful as I move into the world of cat dps (so thank you for that)except for the part regarding Hysteria.

When you say Death Knights, I assume you're talking unholy. While yes, more of unholy damage is spell and a cat would benefit more from hysteria. But you're forgetting Blood / Frost specs which are still very common in raids. Frost and Blood specs can both benefit just as well as a cat if hysteria is used on them.

Personally I can't speak much for the other classes, but based on things I've heard about each class (paladins main strikes are physical, rogue auto attack counts for 40% of their damage etc) I strongly disagree with this portion.

Also, pets powers scale off the owner. Casting Hysteria on a DK before he pops DRW or Gargoyle will mean that the pet benefits. And casting it on the hunter causes the pets AP to scale according as well.

In the end, Hysteria should go on the #1 or #2 on the DPS charts, as I don't think cats are the best for it.

Seems like 51 talent will now be useful for PvP (finally).

Guys, any idea where to take a look at the latest talent calculator for a rogue?

Hey, nice post!!!

Can i have a "best in slot" frost dps, like in the topic unholy dps ???

Thanks for!!!

The buffs from [Libram of Three Truths] / [Libram of Valiance] do not disappear (but you're unable to gain a buff from another libram until the previous has run out) when you unequip them so I assumed it worked the same. If what you said were the case for all librams/sigils/idols, the recent change of making buffs received from them share a buff category would've been unnecessary - but thanks for the clarification.