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Old 03/16/09, 5:43 AM   #2826
S0und
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Kazzak (EU)

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Old 03/16/09, 7:11 AM   #2827
ThatDude
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Zul'Jin
I apologize for changing the topic, but I have a suggestion for Assassination DPS. I hear that Assassination DPS is not on par with Combat, so I have come up with a suggestion. What would happen if we brought the old glyph effect to Master Poisoner and brought in a Turn the Tables glyph which allowed the crit chance applied to all attacks? It would give an energy dump along with an increased crit chance on attacks by 3% ( because it would replace CQC ) with maybe a +6% chance to crit on poisons. But if the DPS is too much I could understand it just sticking to white attacks and combo moves only. And assuming this was a good idea and brought us back to Rupture no longer being apart of the cycle, maybe adding a higher AP coefficient to Rupture from Hunger for Blood. I could understand adding the AP coefficient to HfB while not allowing the additional 6% poison crit chance because that may bring too high of a DPS increase, but either way everything could be ironed out. I would really like to hear feedback on this.

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Old 03/16/09, 8:30 AM   #2828
dabadguy
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Destromath
There is no AP coefficient to Rupture from HfB. HfB is already going to be 18% damage increase, Blizzard can't put that much of an increase into a single talent...well I guess they could. They've already shown a propensity to use HfB as a "hey, we need to balance tree DPS, so we'll just adjust this talent and not address the underlying mechanics that are screwing up the situation."

Also, with the TtT glyph proposition: that would put an extra 11% crit in the Assassination tree. A better suggestion to me would be to make that +6% hit to poisons. That would put us at 11% hit for poisons and 5% for physical. Add in Misery and we're looking at 14% hit. That means that the rogue would only have to add 3% hit from gear to be both special capped and poison capped. It would allow us more itemization choices, unless the new tier pieces are stacked in hit (I haven't looked at T8 yet). However, this is all just conjecture and theory based on nothing, and I would actually rather see Blizzard re-work the entire rogue class mechanics than to just continually tweak certain talents/abilities.

Rogue HAT spec:

Now, imagine the wall is my Eviscerate button.

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Old 03/16/09, 10:07 AM   #2829
Lewtmeister
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Dragonmaw (EU)
Folks I'm in a sort of dilemma at the moment. I've got 2 questions I'd like some opinions on seeing how there are opposing views on the matter from speaking to various end-game ret paladins.

1. If using a Darkmoon Card: Greatness trinket, which is the better second trink; Mirror of Truth or the JC Boar with 2x16 str gems in it.

2. Is it worth using the Valorous Helm for the 4-piece bonus? If so - are Crude Discoloured Battlegrips or [Zeliek's Gauntlets] better?

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Old 03/16/09, 10:16 AM   #2830
inos
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
The Sha'tar (EU)
1 ask for you guys can you put here results for:
3500 spell dmg
19% haste (without totem)

for 0/41/30 and 3/52/16

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Old 03/16/09, 10:35 AM   #2831
Sprocket
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Darkspear
Originally Posted by Cydos View Post
Yeah, Earlier it was decided that using life tap on demand is more dps then trying to keep up the lifetap buff from the glyph. The life tap glyph is probably our highest dps boost, due to the high levels of spirit in higher levels of gear. Getting 40% of that as spell power is crazy. I have problems believing that it will stay like that through the patch, but we can only hope. It was noted though that on most fights you will life tap to full mana during breaks in the fight, but I think it will take some actual testing in real world play to see how much DPS the glyph actually equates to.
Thanks! guess i'll keep 4pc a bit longer...

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Old 03/16/09, 10:59 AM   #2832
 Zurm
The Ultimate in /facepalm Technology
 
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Worgen Rogue
 
Bonechewer
Originally Posted by Lewtmeister View Post
Folks I'm in a sort of dilemma at the moment. I've got 2 questions I'd like some opinions on seeing how there are opposing views on the matter from speaking to various end-game ret paladins.

1. If using a Darkmoon Card: Greatness trinket, which is the better second trink; Mirror of Truth or the JC Boar with 2x16 str gems in it.

2. Is it worth using the Valorous Helm for the 4-piece bonus? If so - are Crude Discoloured Battlegrips or [Zeliek's Gauntlets] better?
1) Mirror of Truth, hands down.
2) 4pc is pretty huge, so I'd say yes. As for the other two, I don't know the stats offhand (for future reference, enclosing an item name in item and /item tags (with square brackets around them, like other BBcode commands) will create a wowhead link to the item that we can hover over... here's an example:

[ item]Betrayer of Humanity[ /item] (without spaces) --> [Betrayer of Humanity]

As always though, both of these questions in the future should be solved by you using Rawr or the spreadsheet.

Last edited by Zurm : 03/16/09 at 11:10 AM.

Formally Xyrm/Zurm, the Ret Pally. Now playing my rogue, Zyrm, more casually with RL friends.

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Old 03/16/09, 1:20 PM   #2833
Phatpharm
Piston Honda
 
Gnome Mage
 
Bloodscalp
Originally Posted by hordikos View Post
Previous posts mentioned the EGG bug was fixed!! I did not see any difference. Last night in NAxx 25 man the EGG procced 180 times(measured with Procodile) wheras my standard Sundial did 210 times.
That is odd. I copied my Mage over to PvP test server, bought the Egg, and headed to the nearest Practice Dummy. Had no procs after 5 minutes of chain-casting AM.

(last week)

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Old 03/16/09, 3:04 PM   #2834
JU1CYFRU1T
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Spinebreaker
I will admit right off the bat that I didn't "read" every single post in this thread (23 pages is a LOT)... so please feel free to flame away if this has already been posted/discussed. The only thing I would ask, is that with the flame, is a post number or something so that I can re-find the info without having to re-read the ~600 posts to find my info

Anyway, some facts, and then my questions.

I am playing WoW on my 17" MacBook Pro, and I want to get an external control device so that I am not button-mashing my built-in keyboard to death. I have only been playing WoW for a month, so I am not really going to have to "relearn" anything (which is nice)... but I want to make sure that the devices I get are not only the best available, but fit my "needs".

I have heard a lot of good things about the Logitech G13, which is #1 on my current list of "must haves". Are there any Mac users out there using this device who have had significant issues with it? I don't fully understand all of the control aspects of the game yet (macros/custome scripts)... but I am sure that will change in time. I don't want to buy the G13, and then find out in a month or two that it doesn't do something correctly on my Mac.

For a mouse, I am currently using a VX Nano, but I am going to be changing that to a Razer ProClick 1.6. This one is much less of a questionmark, because my brother-in-law has one that he has been using for a while. I like the fact that it has 5 programable buttons and what seems to be high-quality sensor.

I am still doing some research for a good set of headphones, but am leaning towards a few different Plantronics sets (THESE) or THIS set by TRITTON. Any and all comments on these headsets and others are welcomed and encouraged (lol).

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Old 03/16/09, 4:07 PM   #2835
renegadeofunk
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Greymane
Originally Posted by hordikos View Post
Previous posts mentioned the EGG bug was fixed!! I did not see any difference. Last night in NAxx 25 man the EGG procced 180 times(measured with Procodile) wheras my standard Sundial did 210 times.
I'm going to assume that you were on the live servers, not the PTR. Is that correct?

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Old 03/16/09, 4:08 PM   #2836
Pilnaz
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Lethon
I have been pounding my head on the wall trying to figure out why my Seed is hitting for a 1,000 less than a lock not geared as well with a similar spec. Thoughts?

Wow Web Stats

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Old 03/16/09, 4:37 PM   #2837
supplicium
Don Flamenco
 
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Gnome Warlock
 
Alterac Mountains
Originally Posted by Pilnaz View Post
I have been pounding my head on the wall trying to figure out why my Seed is hitting for a 1,000 less than a lock not geared as well with a similar spec. Thoughts?

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Are you using max rank?

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.

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Old 03/16/09, 4:39 PM   #2838
Pilnaz
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Lethon
If I'm not I'm rerolling horde, lol. Looking at my average DoT hits I should be.

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Old 03/16/09, 5:19 PM   #2839
angaroth
Piston Honda
 
Undead Warlock
 
Twisting Nether
Better learn how to speak Thalassian then.
This page:
http://wowwebstats.com/5rvsghuiota4c...ses&a=x4829e30
Hover over the Seed of Corruption line. Rank 1

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Old 03/16/09, 5:23 PM   #2840
Pilnaz
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Lethon
Wow, just wow.

Thank you!

I'll keep my stupidity off the boards from this point forward.

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Old 03/16/09, 6:06 PM   #2841
CajunWebMaster
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Shadowsong
As of right now on life, the Egg still procs for Damaging Spells, however after some testing on a test dummy on the PTR I didn't receive one proc from the Egg, so I am assuming that they finally fixed the bug come the next patch.

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Old 03/16/09, 6:54 PM   #2842
ROWKEM
 
Undead Warlock
 
Drak'Tharon
How to use drain soul below 25%.

I've seen it said that below 25%, you should start Drain Soul. However, could someone tell me when I should be doing it? Do I drop SB and use Drain Soul as filler in between refreshing dots?

Last edited by ROWKEM : 03/16/09 at 7:01 PM.

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Old 03/16/09, 7:49 PM   #2843
Jdel
 
Troll Death Knight
 
Ysondre
I have been looking through this thread looking for a DW spec, but the problem I'm running into is that everyone is using WoWHead or MMOChampion talent trees, and none of them are up to date with the most recent talent tree changes. Does anyone have an updated talent tree spec they can show?

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Old 03/17/09, 12:12 AM   #2844
Elysianfield
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Ner'zhul
Hordikos, the person that you read about specified that it was fixed on the PTR. NOT live.

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Old 03/17/09, 4:50 AM   #2845
hordikos
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
INdeed i was live. My mistake guys i did not know what PTR stands for.

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Old 03/17/09, 5:11 AM   #2846
Paroxys
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warlock
 
Thaurissan
Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
It seems that the 40% life tap glyph was a bug, so I've reverted it to 20% in the code. The OP has been updated. It still turns out to be a slight DPS gain for every spec to life tap every 20 seconds.
That's including the 4pc T7 bonus on all profiles though right?

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Old 03/17/09, 8:34 AM   #2847
valiloramov
Banned
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Chromaggus (EU)
How is MM holding up against other hunters/classes in the PTR?

I guess an issue for balancing vs surv is that if we are equal in DPS, we'll have it much better, esp in PvP as we'll have more access to instant shots. I don't mind being a little behind surv spec but not by much and def still higher than the hybrid DPS classes.

I also have a request if anyone could be so kind...The spreadsheet says it can't find me in the armoury, maybe it's an Excel for Mac issue but I really need some info. Could someone see what my DPS is now and what difference it would make if I changed the family ring for the ring of scarlet shadows with an infused gem (getting me to the hit cap w/o FA) and I swap out the point in FA to UF, ISS or WQ? I'll owe you one!

Last edited by valiloramov : 03/17/09 at 8:45 AM.

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Old 03/17/09, 9:11 AM   #2848
Sael
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Ravenholdt (EU)
Hi, been lurking for a while and so recently signed up.

I have been specced Unholy for a while, but it's become quite boring and feel I have achieved all I can with it, so I respecced to 51/0/20. I feel my gear is good enough now to pull it off quite well (there are some improvements that I am working on, namely gems) and so was wondering what rotation is best at the moment.

Is it the 2 OB 2 HS rotation or the 1 OB 4 HS rotation? Do you need SoA for the first rotation to be better? Until it drops, is the starter sigil better than the badge one?

Any advice would be great!

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Old 03/17/09, 11:48 AM   #2849
Lephturn
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Earthen Ring
If somebody could try out a run with a Meta/Ruin spec but do a "what if" all demonology buffs applied to the Doomguard as if it was a Felguard - that would be very interesting. I am trying to figure out if doing that would just make deep Demonology and Destruction builds able to use/competitive with the Doomguard, or would it be OP?

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Old 03/17/09, 12:03 PM   #2850
Earthway
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Gilneas
Originally Posted by Effinhunter View Post
Haste and Armor pen have historically benefited survival and marks more than BM. There is no data that I have seen that would give the impression that BM would all of a sudden start to benefit from Armor pen more than the other specs. If the armor pen becomes passively applied to the pet, then we can start talking about this again. However with BM, Marks, and Survival coming closer in estimated dps, and armor pen only applying to 55-60% of the BM's damage (compared to 75-85% of survival or marks), there really is no comparison.

Consequently, the majority of Ulduar gear would seem to benefit Marks and Survival more than BM. However, this is a trend that has taken place throughout WotLK so far. Haste in T7. Armor Pen in T8. Maybe T9 will have more of the pure stats, like Agi/AP and then all three specs will start to shine.

I agree that perhaps the more pure stats will be Blizz choice in the t9 gear with gem slots or more class specific enchants..I like the dual spec idea aswell ....Any news as to when 3.1 is coming ?

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