Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 115

Shalafein · 01/06/09, 6:39 AM

Has anyone else seen this?

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC: Happy New Year! Just to catch you up...

Just to summarize and I am quoting from GC

"We think with these changes, hunter PvE damage will be in line with other dps classes. We're not concerned about scaling at higher gear levels because we are changing hunter damage enough for 3.1 that we will have to rebalance them anyway. "

McMuttons · 01/06/09, 6:46 AM

Originally Posted by Shalafein

Has anyone else seen this?

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC: Happy New Year! Just to catch you up...

Just to summarize and I am quoting from GC

"We think with these changes, hunter PvE damage will be in line with other dps classes. We're not concerned about scaling at higher gear levels because we are changing hunter damage enough for 3.1 that we will have to rebalance them anyway. "

I recommend you try reading back a little, starting with this post and ending with the post just before yours.

Targh · 01/06/09, 6:51 AM

In honesty I think this thread is more about theory and calculations on where the listed and confirmed changes in the upcoming patch will leave our dps in raid encounters, and less about what new abilities we think blizzard should or shouldn't give us to counteract any shortcomings in our class.

That, and you'll probably be told off for not paragraphing and for using abbreviations and contractions.

vaudou · 01/06/09, 10:26 AM

Hey guys !!

I have been reading EJ forever and this is actually my first post... I have used the sim and the results i get are somewhat weird. I'm thinking i did something wrong...

Anyways, here they are.

MH:
miss 226026 9.91%
dodge 62530 2.74%
glancing 570276 25.00%
hit 526224 23.07%
crit 895717 39.27%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.63%
procs/swings 14.52%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 18535 2.80%
hit 391582 59.11%
crit 252391 38.10%

OH:
miss 327800 9.94%
dodge 90686 2.75%
glancing 823300 24.96%
hit 761993 23.10%
crit 1294645 39.25%

OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1921232 66.71%
crit 958706 33.29%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 33.43

flurry uptime 74.32%
unleashed rage uptime 99.87%
elemental devastation uptime 0.00%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%

mh enchant uptime 28.44%
oh enchant uptime 19.76%
trinket1 uptime 16.75%
trinket2 uptime 20.32%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%

MRPS without overregen
mana regen -0.00 44.07%
mp5 -0.00 18.73%
replenishment -0.00 41.50%
unrelenting storm 0.00 -0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 -4.30%
shamanistic rage 0.00 -0.00%
mana potion 0.00 -0.00%
misc potion 0.00 -0.00%

DPS PPM MPS
white 1375.33 59.79% 92.99
windfury 508.19 22.09% 5.52
flametongue 416.90 18.12% 48.00

DPS 2300.41
MPS 0.00
MP2min 0.00
MRPS 131.97
Out of mana time 0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 0.83s
simulation speed: 4347825x

Here's the link to my armory.

The World of Warcraft Armory

SensenmanN · 01/06/09, 11:28 AM

Rep for my guild!

ketah · 01/06/09, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Tinwhisker

Because EP weights for Agi and AP can flip flop with each other even to the point where you're using both at the same time for max DPS, any answer we give won't be accurate. The spreadsheets are the only real way to get an accurate answer.

If you just want an answer though: Go Agility, Aldriana stated once that any DPS lost by using Agi over AP when they're so close would easily be made up by the time you gain with a single dodge. (Dead DPS is no DPS.)

alright thx im downloading excel as we speak. I'll check it out. I "lol'd" at your last sentence its kinda true though. Thx.

oresteez · 01/06/09, 1:21 PM

I just thought of an awesome one...
During Thaddius,
place it on the ledge where you kill the first sub boss...

Then when jumping to Thaddius, if you spaz out and miss his ledge, you can teleport back up and try again!

testthewest · 01/06/09, 3:01 PM

Originally Posted by Actovision

So too is claiming that you sacrifice everything for single-target dps when many Frostfire mages can spec for excellent aoe damage (in both the frost and fire trees), for example.

Well I have no idea how your mages are doing "great AE-dmg" but on bigger pulls, you get owned by DK's and s-priests, on smaller pulls even warriors deal the same or more than a mage.
So please clearify: What is this "excellent aoe damage" you are talking about? (which half of the time already fails, because Blizzard has no pushback protection.

Originally Posted by Actovision

And it's also arrogant to claim that simply because you absolutely require your spec to do more damage it should be so, purple monkey dishwasher! I tried to hint at this point above, but it seems I need to spell it out. If you feel that your fun is being infringed upon because another class/spec can do equal damage and stand in the fire a little longer, maybe you should play a game that's more suited to your monomaniacal impulses, and not this ever-changing, social, cooperative MMO.

So now, why can't you stand doing a bit less dmg then me, while bringing your debuff fool-proof easy and some mana and survivability in for free? Let me spel it out for you:
If you feel that your fun is being infringed upon because another class/spec can do a bit more damage, while dieing faster, maybe you should play a game that's more suited to your monomaniacal impulses, and not this ever-changing, social, cooperative MMO.

Sounds familiar? What, you ain't a dime better than me? That's funny.....

Originally Posted by Actovision

Because it's pretty clear you are in the minority, and Blizz will always pursue changes that bring in more players, instead of those changes that exclude. If yours is the prevailing sentiment on the official forums, then I can see how that dumb ass armor class argument came about...

You, pretty much, have no idea. They said: Hey, you bring the player, so I though...well maybe I don't have to reroll to a "pure"class. Then they say: A pure class will always outshine a hybrid on thze damage-meter, so I finally abandoned my beloved main, and switched to mage.
I had your opinion for a long time, but I learned better, that nothing will every change. If frost would, by accident, deal more damage, they would be nerfed in seconds after a protest storm of all those firemages.
Bring the player already is in the game for mage, but it's not: Bring the player that can't even figure out the raiding spec.
Lastly, please stop that minority bull....
We all see us as the majority and the opposing view as the minority (even the Bolschewiki though so^^).

numerouno · 01/06/09, 5:27 PM

this might sound like a dumb question but as Survival how necessary is it to trap dance seeing as it may take away some shooting time moving to place the trap?

Dafeaz · 01/06/09, 6:17 PM

Well, all I know is that this throws my plans for 3.0.8 into complete disarray. I had originally planned to dabble in a Sniper Training SV build using a scorpid while shelling out for a Darkmoon Card: Greatness, but now I dunno.

If they succeed in keeping the 3 specs in line with each other, I'll probably go SV for the more advanced rotation (and the ability to essentially shoot bombs, which has my geekiness all a-twitter). I just hope they don't nerf ES too hard.

The fact that I can't fulfill a niche in a raid with any spec these days really bums me out...would it be worth it to stay BM to keep the FI procs, when a retardin can essentially do the same thing AND provide replenishment?

Ilmatar · 01/06/09, 8:06 PM

Thanks, Dukes. I hadn't really looked at VotTW in that much depth. That's what I get for theory crafting at work.

mofro · 01/06/09, 8:18 PM

Just a quick question I had heard that HB will be spammable after the patch which i take it to mean doing away with the 6 sec cool down. is there any truth to this?

Nerlth · 01/06/09, 9:29 PM

Originally Posted by atrophia

I liked the idea so I've now made atrRunes to see if the concept proved useful.

My initial impressions were not great, but I've been using it a bit more and am getting used to it. At the moment its all one "sentence" (a string for you programmers) which means it looks a bit odd when the character shapes vary and the spacing alters.

Play around with some and give me feedback please, if the idea does prove more useful I will add more options and give it more gloss.

I was going to make this. /sigh Thanks anyways.

bustajibb · 01/06/09, 9:42 PM

Been reading over many of the posts here, and have gotten a ton of info. Thanks

But I do have a couple of things I would like to ask. Im currently Combat/Fist(7/51/13), mostly for the fact the Crimson Steel is the best main hand Ive come across. I have Titansteel Shanker in my off hand. I also have Avool's Sword of Jin. Here comes my first question, would it help my dps if I switched out Endurance and Imp. Sprint to 4/5 Sword Specialization and off hand Avool's? Since they both have relatively the same dps?

Next, What is the hit cap for rogues? I have read over and over the pocketguide section on hit and maybe Im making it more complicated than I should. I currently have 371 hit rating, is this too low? Is it about average?

Thanks for your time

tinkles · 01/07/09, 12:45 AM

i have a question i"m having a hard time keeping my hit rating up as most gear up grades do not have hit , I have heard and read many threads about hit rating but i haven't found a definitive answer to the lack of hit rating . is the gear available using a imaginary hit rating or is the new specs integrated into overall DPS as the spread sheets show an increase in DPS possibility