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Old 01/19/12, 3:42 PM   #28951
dnlk100
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Mage
 
Baelgun
I was wondering if someone could take a look at my toon, and see if there's any changes or reforges they could suggest, here's a link to my toon Evony @ Baelgun - Game - World of Warcraft

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Old 01/19/12, 4:07 PM   #28952
 nathanbp
Great Tiger
 
Gnome Mage
 
Mannoroth
Originally Posted by rh8452 View Post
Here, new heroic boss maximizing topic. Heroic Warmaster Blackhorn. We've already killed him but for those progressing him: Start the fight at the far end of the boat where thrall and the aspects are. Scorch/LB Goriona as she passes. Run/blink over to the left side of the boat (facing the aspects), you will drop combat. Prepot, hardcast pyro/LB drake 1, scorch/LB drake 2, LB dreadblade.

Anyone find a better opener? I had a pretty good rank on this week's kill. Living bomb glyph over pyro glyph seems ideal as well since you have 2-3 available long-lived targets which all must die for about 85% of the fight.
Haven't killed it yet, but we're starting ranged at the back of the boat on the left set of stairs. You can prepot, LB, fireball the first drake, then start running and get 2 scorches off on the first drake. By this point you're at the center of the ship and the 2nd drake is flying over, and you can LB it and get a scorch off. Less damage to Goriona, more damage to the first set of drakes.

Originally Posted by Crowl View Post
If you have to control a robot dinosaur that fires lazers and there's a time when you shouldn't be shooting those lazers then the encounter is clearly flawed beyond hope of fixing.

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Old 01/19/12, 4:59 PM   #28953
mowgles
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Moon Guard
Originally Posted by djxak View Post
You don't need more than 1750 haste*.

Oh I know, but I can't even get up to there. Unless I sacrifice expertise for haste and drop down to something like 22-24 expertise, or drop my hit down to something like 7.60%, but i've been having Outbreak miss on me often enough as is.

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Old 01/19/12, 5:06 PM   #28954
molson
Von Kaiser
 
Worgen Hunter
 
Aegwynn
I know this has been dead since FL, but any chance we could revive this for T13 content? Looking at logs of some top hunters, I'm sure there are some encounter/spec specific tricks to push max DPS beyond wearing BiS gear.

For example, what's the best way to maximize DPS during the black phase of H-Zonozz as BM? Leave pet on the boss while Zonozz takes increased damage, or move them to each eye and lose DPS to travel time and no damage buff?

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Old 01/19/12, 5:23 PM   #28955
doudou
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Outland (EU)
How much haste is optimal to have as to normal oblit priority spec?
Im sitting at 398 ilvl with 18.74% (2400) haste.. shall i change this?

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Old 01/19/12, 5:41 PM   #28956
Kurathikai
Glass Joe
 
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Worgen Warrior
 
Korgath
This is what I do, and I think it mostly agrees with the complex rotation on Landsoul's spreadsheet.

As soon as execute phase starts, spam it to build executioner. If CS is available, use it. Anytime CS is available, I follow it up with 3x execute to fill every global with CS debuff up, followed by alternating BT and execute until CS comes off CD or I proc 4pc. Generally I like to line up DW to cover two CS uptimes. If creche is not procced, stack recklessness with DW and execute spam during CS, otherwise save reck for the next time I can execute spam during CS. Inner rage on CD as well, preferably stacked with CS and other CDs. There are several fights in which you generate enough rage from dmg done and taken to incorporate HS during execute phase.

During non-CS I tend to use slam procs if BT is down unless i'm rage capping for the free dmg which also allows me to build a bit of rage for HS/follow up with a more powerful execute.

Execute hits so much harder that I see no reason to use any other ability while CS is up on the boss, even if you delay a potential VoD proc. Since as SMF both BT and execute benefit from the 20% dmg increase, that really doesn't change anything, but as far as whether to use BT or just execute spam, it would depend on rage generation. I would definitely use BT with the 4-pc.

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Old 01/19/12, 6:45 PM   #28957
mowgles
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Moon Guard
Originally Posted by doudou View Post
How much haste is optimal to have as to normal oblit priority spec?
Im sitting at 398 ilvl with 18.74% (2400) haste.. shall i change this?
I would say lower it only if you find yourself capping out on GCDs. I'm sure during madness that much haste is detrimental.

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Old 01/19/12, 9:58 PM   #28958
zetto
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Rogue
 
Outland (EU)
Originally Posted by Enzo90910 View Post
Anyone knows how to extract meaningful numbers from this parse? He got three Fury procs over a 6mn fight, but it doesn't seem his proc DPS or his total DPS was that high. 43k on H25 Ultraxion seems quite low to me, considering his iLvl.
Just to follow up on that log, World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Seems Shadow of destroyer continues to stack after fury of the destroyed proced. So you dont loose the agility, Untill the 6seconds pass.

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Old 01/20/12, 12:42 AM   #28959
Jiatu
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Dalvengyr
Pet Frenzy

Question answered - concerning pet frenzy stacks.

Last edited by Jiatu : 01/20/12 at 1:10 AM. Reason: Question answered

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Old 01/20/12, 4:37 AM   #28960
Chainfire
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Druid
 
Xavius (EU)
Originally Posted by csuphoff View Post
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but i have noticed how a lot of the people that I Pug with have more trouble with Magic De-buffs weighing them down. so i speced in Nature's Cure instead of Swift RJ.

is there much in a loss standpoint that i would be worrying about here or do you think this is an ok substitute when called for?
Never drop Swift RJ for Nature's Cure.

1) You cripple your HPS output when not using cooldowns. Cutting Rejuv spamming down by 0.5s per cast is very important when you're blanketing huge raid damage. It's also very important when properly utilising Jaws of Defeat.

2) You shouldn't be dispelling. Other classes are able to dispel with much more efficiency than we are due to talents/Glyphs.

3) If you have to pick up magic dispel then consider my current talent build: Talents & Glyphs - Game - World of Warcraft
I pick up dispel due to heroic spine of deathwing, if our main dispeller dies or is gripped at a bad time he calls it out and i step in to help.

Edit: I wanted to add that this thread is becoming a bit too much of a "This is my raid situation, what should I do?" instead of a conversation about healing as a resto druid in patch 4.3. The posts on 4t12 not interacting with full health people with Searing Plasma on heroic spine for example (including logs and conclusion) are good, the posts on your individual healing layouts are going to be completely skipped over by majority of readers. Lets try keep it informative.

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Old 01/20/12, 7:58 AM   #28961
alex2395
Glass Joe
 
Troll Druid
 
Zenedar (EU)
Hey guys I need advice
here is my armory Dort @ Zenedar - Game - World of Warcraft

Since I don't have much mana problems I decided to change my spec to a more throughput one(I need magic dispel for zon'ozz ...

so Should I reforge some of the spirit away too???
thank you

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Old 01/20/12, 8:26 AM   #28962
Heldericht
Glass Joe
 
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Draenei Priest
 
Destromath
I had a quick question, the answer to which I can't seem to find anywhere else on the forums.

Which of the following 2 weapons is better (both same ilvl)

Windrunner's Bow vs Lava Bolt Crossbow

They have the same DPS, but their speed and top/low end differ. What is the way to go about assessing these kinds of situations?

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Old 01/20/12, 8:26 AM   #28963
Nihlo
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Druid
 
Alleria (EU)
In my eyes it's very simple. Check your logs for the following:

if you did and you've got more than a few percent of mana at the very end of the fight, then you should get rid of mana-reg. This can be done by:
  • forge of spirit into: haste to breakpoint > mastery > crit > haste
  • check your talents (you don't need Furor for example)

If you can't heal the way you want because of mana issues, you can always forge back some spirit. Probably every druid with an ilvl > 385 can forge about 500-700 spirit.

Last edited by Nihlo : 01/20/12 at 8:31 AM.

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Old 01/20/12, 9:15 AM   #28964
djxak
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Гордунни (EU)
Originally Posted by mowgles View Post
Oh I know, but I can't even get up to there. Unless I sacrifice expertise for haste and drop down to something like 22-24 expertise, or drop my hit down to something like 7.60%, but i've been having Outbreak miss on me often enough as is.
You can sacrifice mastery for haste till ~1750. It's still dps increase on single target fight.

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Old 01/20/12, 10:54 AM   #28965
mehrrdadd
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Skullcrusher (EU)
hi
i need help in reforge and rotation
my dps whit arcan talent is 27k 30k+ on boss but whit fire talent my dps on 1 target is 20k 22k...
Wårlord @ Kazzak - Game - World of Warcraft
i dont know what is my problam pls help me

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Old 01/20/12, 10:57 AM   #28966
EasirokThunderpants
Von Kaiser
 
Worgen Mage
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by rh8452 View Post
Scorch/LB Goriona as she passes. Run/blink over to the left side of the boat (facing the aspects), you will drop combat. Prepot, hardcast pyro/LB drake 1, scorch/LB drake 2, LB dreadblade.
We were finding that any direct damage to Goriona puts the entire raid into combat early, making the combat start timer unreliable. A large number of people would end up ruining their ability to pot later in the fight because they were being placed in combat a moment too soon. Warlocks casting Bane seemed to be the only thing we could do to her that would not put the whole raid into combat early.

Perhaps there is some aspect to this we were missing? You are debuffing/dotting her as she flies over the bow of the ship, correct? And the rest of the raid isn't being put into combat prematurely?

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Old 01/20/12, 1:40 PM   #28967
shroudedsoulz
Banned
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Kilrogg (EU)
rotation

1st I apologise if this post is in the wrong place
im rly desperate atm
iv hit a wall in regards to my DPS
im a balance druid with T13 items
Rambling @ Kilrogg - Game - World of Warcraft
atm I can’t make more the 25k DPS (in DS) im rly struggling
I know iv done better with T12 items I used to make 40k+ but I don’t know what’s gone wrong
Iv used RAWR to max reforged an follow it with gem as I can afford them
But its not helping at all
I just hope someone will take pity on me and help out
Im sure its something im doing wrong with my rotation …but iv not rly changed that from T12 ..so any help at all

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Old 01/20/12, 1:58 PM   #28968
rh8452
Piston Honda
 
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Worgen Mage
 
Kel'Thuzad
So far as I could tell, nobody was being put in combat early. What happens is you enter combat when hitting Goriona, then will drop combat when she flies out of range (along with everyone else) for about 3-4 seconds, then reenter combat when the drakes get in range and they are hit.

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Old 01/20/12, 5:23 PM   #28969
Kanjii9446
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Ahn'Qiraj (EU)
Would be nice if you made a guide Lamperouge cause you obviously get something i don't. Can't really figure out to do or what to prioritise when playing Masterfrost, i'm geared for it, just can't figure it out.

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Old 01/20/12, 9:23 PM   #28970
everix1992
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Thunderhorn
First of all, sorry if this has been asked but I couldn't find anything about this.

When using No'Kaled as your MH and the Stage 1 OH and using Hemo as your main CP builder, does Combat actually pass Subtlety in dps? Shadowcraft shows that Combat is ~2000 dps higher.

Server: US-Thunderhorn
Character Name: Everix

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Old 01/21/12, 6:21 AM   #28971
aggixx
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Hyjal
Ah, I see what you're saying. Apparently I misread the purpose of the original post.

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Old 01/21/12, 7:42 AM   #28972
Zexeonwarrior
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Skullcrusher
Fury warrior, ilvl 388
Here are my stats:
haste-1.30
hit-15.66
crit-24.10
expertise-27/27
mastery-8.89

Do I have enough Mastery? Or too little? Also, do I have too much hit chance? Should I trim the fat a little?

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Old 01/22/12, 3:26 AM   #28973
Cevs
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Warrior
 
Mannoroth
There is no need for "enough" mastery because it is the weakest stat currently. There is no such thing as too much hit rating until you hit the hard cap, which is next to impossible in this tier without stacking gems for it.

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Old 01/22/12, 7:02 PM   #28974
Ghwerig
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Alexstrasza
Quick gear question: Im pretty sure Signet of Grasping Mouths will be BiS, but im unsure if Emergency Decent Loop or Viridian Signet of the Avengers would be in the second slot since viridian has a red socket bonus and emergency has yellow... I know they're really close, just wondering what EJ has to say about it. Thanks!

edit.. Plz note im assuming Seal of Primordial Shadow is out based on expertise...

Last edited by Ghwerig : 01/22/12 at 7:45 PM.

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Old 01/22/12, 9:35 PM   #28975
énéola
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Mage
 
Hyjal (EU)
The haste cap is 2005 (1505 with 2T13).

Tested ingame, and another confirmation from a very good mage Fire 4.3 Compendium

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