Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1164

Onorvele · 06/16/10, 8:59 PM

Corvain, please check out the Announcement at the top of the Class Mechanics forum. The one that is titled "Here's my armory. Help me not suck".

corvain · 06/16/10, 9:25 PM

Thank you for that informative link.

I didnt link anything, my DPS doesnt suck... if it were a 30 page thread I would read it page at a time. I guess I would rather take a hit, than read 3400 posts trying to find if someone is in the same boat as I am. I did search for my weapon name to try to narrow it down, but had no luck. Any other search I would use it too broad of an argument to narrow it down anymore.

So my original question stands :

Hello all, the Unholy DPS guide has been my bible in my intermittent playing over the past couple of months. For some background, I am raiding 10 man ICC. I do not do any PVP or 25 man raiding. I am very casual. My gearscore is 5210, and my weapon is (currently) Hersir's Greatspear, my spec is 17/0/54. I have achieved the 4 piece t-9 armor (I am wearing 5 piece Conquest). I was reading the spec part of the guide, and wondered if with my weapon, and my "on par" armor, if I should consider going to a 0/17/54 frost spec, or if I should stick with the blood spec. I was unsure if any build other than blood would be applicable to me, since the two weapons mentioned in that paragraph are out of my reach.

thanks!

Muddernature · 06/16/10, 10:28 PM

On another forum, folks are having an argument over the validity of Dancing Rune Weapon for Blood tanking builds. I don't tank 25-mans on my DK, just the occasional 10-man. Was DRW indeed changed to transfer threat, and is it absolutely necessary for adequate performance in normal-mode ICC encounters? I would love to see the math on this, as no one who is arguing for DRW can provide any so far.

Thank you.

pessadilla · 06/16/10, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mitranim

I've got this problem on two PCs until recently, but it was gone as suddenly as it appeared. I guess it has to do with Windows components and the system auto-update. Can't think of anything else that could change on both systems at the same time. I'd recommend you to make sure your system is receiving updates properly.

I know this will edge on handholding, but I keep having some kind of error that prevents me from running the simulator. I load my character, and when I start to simulate, it crashes. Could you please simulate it for me? I'm trying to get the stat weights for my dk, Kniteblade, from Borean Tundra realm.

Buckzorz · 06/16/10, 11:10 PM

I just want to know if the 4 piece set bonus is all that worth it. I have started to get more 277 off pieces now and it seems that the proc isn't really worth it or important for our rotation. If the pieces are 4 piece 264 Item level and I have 277 gear that makes my stats all that much better should i be using the HEROIC pieces over the tier.

The World of Warcraft Armory - Treeofive @ Cho'gall - Profile

^ that is with my off pieces

deralei · 06/16/10, 11:33 PM

Hey guys,

just a fast question about trinkets.I'm using DBW and DC (both normal) as my trinkets atm. But The Herkuml Wartoken seems really sweet on some fights, specially when running a 1/52/18, but has anyone ever tested this? Personally i think on static fight like Saurfang and Fester it could really be a DPS upgrade,anyone that has some numbers they can share with me? And what trinket would be best to replace it with?

Been looking around the forum for this quite a lot, but wasn't able to find an anwser.

tisonlyme80 · 06/17/10, 12:14 AM

ok so i've been busting my balls tryng to figure out where i'm going wrong i know there' a certain % that you swap your gems to Arp ( armor pen ) but i cant seem to find out what % that is i've spent liek the last hour searching with no luck i know my gear still need a bit of help but i'm lookin for any help to improve my dps and would love to hear comments / suggestions as to how i might be able to

here's my armory
The World of Warcraft Armory - Er�s @ Gilneas - Profile
looking forward to the help and thanks in advance!!

lagginshot · 06/17/10, 1:50 AM

i have a rotation question on my fury warrior with 4p t10. My basic rotation is as follows bt-ww-slam-bt-slam-slam-.
Of course the slams are assuming i have the proc. Assuming i am using the right rotation, the first slam after the ww, pushes the second bt back .5 seconds, which is considered acceptable,i think, however i don't like to delay bt but i do it anyways because i also dont like wasting a bloodsurge proc. My question is if its still acceptable to use a slam after ww IF i get a double bloodsurge proc from the 4p t10? What i usualy do now is if i get the 4p t10 proc from the first bt, i continue onto ww then instead of using the bloodsurge proc, i go onto bt that way i don't delay it .5 seconds, then use my double slam. something like this, bt-ww-bt-slam-slam. So my question is, should i still use slam after ww even if the 4p t10 extends my bloodsurge time to 9seconds so i can use it after the bt-ww-bt or should i just use one slam after ww and save the second slam for after the second bt. i apologize in advance if this question has been asked before.

TheDanath · 06/17/10, 2:44 AM

I could just be blind and in the pages of posts have miss all the answers to the questions i want to ask.

First My priest has basically the cookie cutter but i was wondering why not to take shadow affinity? Granted its not easy to steal agro anymore if not impossible but even taking that away but without it, is it still impossible to steal agro?(if this is the case then i can respec those three points.)

is it really necessary to take Improved shadow form. Iv always seen this as more a PVP type ability since in raids i find other then moving out of fires and or other "bad" things on the ground that my dps does not really get interrupted all that much.

also i just got to trying the rotation you suggest here not to do SWP until you have the 5 stacks but iv only seen a minor dps increase which yes is still an increase but i was hopeing for more. whioch leads me to my second part of this question. I am fairly well geared(T10ish equipment) good haste decent crit and over 3000sp when self buffed and currently way over hit cap.
But i have seen shadow priests under geared compaired to my character and able to do as much or more dps then me.

On the heroic dummy i hit 4300 dps. So my one theory is my characters lack of Spirit which is not all that high at the moment but even then when i saw another shadow priest do just as much as i could with 2-300 less spellpower half my crit and way less then half my haste i thought id see if i could find some help maybe give some advice to where im going wrong.

Yomirizer · 06/17/10, 3:03 AM

Originally Posted by Yetigeeze

Ya, Frostfire is not a good spec in ICC level gear. I'm referring to a deep fire spec with Torment the Weak (20/51/0 is the standard, I run with 18/53/0). It can be confusing since the thread is titled Frostfire, but it transitioned into the fire spec thread once fire was better than frostfire for raiding

omg i think im in love. lol

I respecced to your fire spec, and i did 2k dps over arcane on a single boss burn fight. So I got a new os thats very fun to play and does great damage.

Onyki · 06/17/10, 4:37 AM

Originally Posted by Polar

A sample of the new 10m Casual ranks can be seen at 10-man Progress - GuildOx - WoW Guild Progress, Character and Loot Rankings

This is a really smart concept. It shows, imho, a more realistic overview.
Thank you for adding it.

gjb006 · 06/17/10, 5:50 AM

* removed due to me finding the answer in another thread

NubWar · 06/17/10, 7:11 AM

Few questions

1.What pot does fire use haste or wild magic? I have been using wild magic.

2.Is my DPS where it should be with my gear.(World of logs, Armory)

3. Is this what i should be doing.(Pop cd's at start(Bzerk,Combustion,Mirrorimage). Rotation LB>FB>Insta>FB>Keep LB UP,etc. People are saying my dps is lower then it should be. I don't see any error's that i could be making.

Purelybetter · 06/17/10, 9:01 AM

Originally Posted by lagginshot

i have a rotation question on my fury warrior with 4p t10. My basic rotation is as follows bt-ww-slam-bt-slam-slam-.
Of course the slams are assuming i have the proc. Assuming i am using the right rotation, the first slam after the ww, pushes the second bt back .5 seconds, which is considered acceptable,i think, however i don't like to delay bt but i do it anyways because i also dont like wasting a bloodsurge proc. My question is if its still acceptable to use a slam after ww IF i get a double bloodsurge proc from the 4p t10? What i usualy do now is if i get the 4p t10 proc from the first bt, i continue onto ww then instead of using the bloodsurge proc, i go onto bt that way i don't delay it .5 seconds, then use my double slam. something like this, bt-ww-bt-slam-slam. So my question is, should i still use slam after ww even if the 4p t10 extends my bloodsurge time to 9seconds so i can use it after the bt-ww-bt or should i just use one slam after ww and save the second slam for after the second bt. i apologize in advance if this question has been asked before.

Im trying to follow you here but the lack of spacing makes my head hurt.

If I understand you correctly, you're doing it wrong. Our rotation you know, so I'll spare you reasoning. I'll discuss Slam#1, or BT->WW->Slam->BT->Slam->Slam. This slam is only supposed to be used under 2 conditions. 1. Our Bloodsurge proc will expire before the GCD from the second BT is up, so basically 2+latency seconds. 2. We have a 4pT10 proc which reduces our Slam GCD to 1 second, which makes it no longer push back BT.

For any future reference, use the sheet that tells us DPS(maybe I won't get warned for this one!). If you scroll down in it, Landsoul has the rotation broken down into all the possible scenarios for your DPS and what you should do.

UKnow · 06/17/10, 9:23 AM

I try to combine 3+ and 4+ cycles for a higher Envenom buff time. I use Envenom with 3 CP rarely but I suppose that sometimes it is better...