Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1176

Ikefury · 06/24/10, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by hadonis

"Really, cloth isn't the issue, since cloth wearers have spells to buff their mitigation. Leather wearers are the ones who end up the most fragile. Mail would be bad too except that shaman can use shields when needed and hunters typically don't get hit by melee much. We just want to bring things a little closer to each other. It's easier to establish a baseline for how hard a particular attack should hit for when one dps spec isn't literally four times as survivable as another. " - Ghostcrawler

I was reading bluepots and came across this tidbit. Does this imply that enhnace/elemental shamans will be getting another type of shield? at the moment i can;t think of a shield that helps mitigate damage so i assume this is either a mistake or a slip that shamym will eb gettign anotehr shield.

He means actual shields.

Like the armor.

MetallicaRulez0 · 06/24/10, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Noa

I was wondering if the glyph of hunter' s mark is worth it and if so which glyph should i replace. Currently i am using Serpent Sting, Kill shot, Steady Shot gluphs.

The best answer is to plug it into the spreadsheet. Remove a glyph and check your DPS. Then add the HM glyph and note the change, and multiply the DPS gain by however many Hunters you usually bring. Compare that to whatever other glyph you would use instead.

• EasirokThunderpants · 06/25/10, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by smallrabbit

A question about moving on Lichking heroic with arcane specc (phase 1 especially).
The only way to move without lose a lot of dps is by casting ABarr while moving (pom not mentioned because of its cd). What do you think is the best time for it?
At 4 stacks AB-Debuff, or after a 4debuffed MBAM. I usually move (and cast Abarr) after the MBAM cast, but i don't know if this is the best time.
Another question is: should i cast a MBAM-procc from Abarr directly without any AB-debuff? I think i remember it's best, but i don't know exactly and i can't find it again.
In the last days I played Lichking with fire specc, because of its instant spells in standard rotation (living bomb, hot streak) for moving. I like Arcane much more and want to play in this specc if possible. But the comparison arcane/fire shows me that I do more damage with fire specc.
Do you in generel see a possibility that arcane is playable with similar dps (looking at LK hc fight)?

A lot of fire's damage during p1 and sometimes into p2 comes from splash on the ghouls. If you look at actual damage done to LK and raging spirits and valkyrie, and ignore any damage done to ghouls or shamblers, then you will see that arcane is actually fairly competitive if you can play it well.

That said, fire does have significantly better mobility in this fight, and the splash from living bomb can be helpful with valk packs in 25 man. Fire also has significantly lower mana consumption on this fight as compared to arcane. For 10man heroic, the extra snare from Slow can be very helpful in phase 2 although you cannot contribute as much during phase 3 because of fire's living bomb on vile spirits and increased damage under 35%.

I would also point out that phase 1 is more or less just a "warm up" period, and all the difficult stuff happens in phase 2 and phase 3. I wouldn't focus too much on which spec produces the best dps logs in phase 1, as once you get through it without a third shambler it doesnt really matter. It would be more productive to focus on what spec/talents will help you make it through phase 2 intact. It won't matter if you can pull #1 on the dps meters during phase 1 but the group wipes on every attempt because they cant bring a valk down fast enough.

itskyler · 06/25/10, 1:29 AM

Hey guys quick question.
I have recently began playing hunter endgame and as known the effect of ArP on DPS is exponential. So at which value should one gem for ArP? Right now I am at 319 which I think is probably to low? Can anyone help on this?

Sil3ntSnip3a@gmail.com · 06/25/10, 2:38 AM

I really like the 0/56/15 deep demo build I switched to! However I do have a question about dual spec deep demo & heavy destro.... What are the benefits of using one over the other in a raid like situation?

Enochi · 06/25/10, 3:57 AM

Hello all.

My raiding group has finally starting into ICC 25 hms and we killed Death Bringer and Blood Queen giving us our first heroic tokens. I was completely caught off guard that we only get 1 token per wing boss. Now my guild unfortunately happens to stack alot of Vanquishers in its usual 25 man runs. 3 Rogues, 3 Mages, 3 DKs, and 4 Druids. Also most of the Guilds officers are in this grouping meaning my chances of getting a set of Tier 10 277 is about nil. So given this case is keeping the 4T10 bonus is 264 worth it or should I snag some 277 non-tier replacements for my Moonkin.

Thank you for your help in this matter.

Kreature1 · 06/25/10, 8:22 AM

Demonology warlocks are quite versatile. With your build you opted for the Ruin combination and made sure you filled the talents with Demonic Tactics which is quite good for increasing crit. The benefit of demonology is also the downside in the raiding situation. So say you are spamming SB and combine it with a succubus sacrifice your dps gets about a 15% increase which helps a raid a lot at times.

The problem with this Demonology spec that requires you to sacrifice your demon which causes a loss of the party-wide buffs. So you'll have to balance the benefit of a single target's DPS boost with the downside of raid members getting lower HP and such.

Destro locks don't benefit the raid other than the buffs their pets give. Destro locks rely solely on burst damage and are kind of like mages in this aspect. Their AOE's benefit the raid with a good SoC and RoF combo but that is about it. Destro locks are there to help with raid dps and not much else.

Rhombus078 · 06/25/10, 10:02 AM

I am currently looking into hitting the armor penetration cap... I'll log out with my current gear in case anyone looks it up.. i also have a few pieces of gear that is similar in stats mostly missing some str. and swapping out expt. i am about to get the BS pants for more pene. I am currently at soft cap with needle-encrusted scorp. but i would like to drop it and hit hard cap. my main concern right now would be (is it worth doing) -- In order to do so, i must drop my OH byntroll, bone arbitor and replace with Ramalidin's Blade of Cunning. If i do this obviously i lose some offhand damage but i get major pene stats, i also would have to swap belts necklace and skeleton lord ring for rotface's rupturing ring.. str for pene again. In the end i think i would total (after gems) 1281 armor pene... which would be 1 executioner enchant from hard cap... does all this seem worth it for arP cap. total str loss is unknown at this time for i must get BS pants made first for comparison.

** I also noticed i am over recommended hit with 8.2% hit and precision as gemmed

the other thing i could do as of now is drop some hit gems for str and stay at my arP soft cap with needle-encrusted scorp

my main question i suppose would be this: how much str is worth losing to arP hard-cap and also if i am a mere 120 arP from hardcap-- Is executioner a viable option to hit hard cap with since it is only up 1/4-1/3 of the time (not sure what the uptime is on executioner)?

My character is Thundrr on Baelgun server

thanks in advance for any replys

Drase · 06/25/10, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Kreature1

Demonology warlocks are quite versatile. With your build you opted for the Ruin combination and made sure you filled the talents with Demonic Tactics which is quite good for increasing crit. The benefit of demonology is also the downside in the raiding situation. So say you are spamming SB and combine it with a succubus sacrifice your dps gets about a 15% increase which helps a raid a lot at times.

The problem with this Demonology spec that requires you to sacrifice your demon which causes a loss of the party-wide buffs. So you'll have to balance the benefit of a single target's DPS boost with the downside of raid members getting lower HP and such.

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This is wrong. As a Demon lock you DO NOT want to sacrifice your pet and DO NOT want to use the succubus. Half the talents in a deep demon spec rely on your demon being ALIVE.

The main point of being deep demon as of right now is to give the Demonic pact buff (10% of your spell power to everyone in the raid). Using the felguard will be your best choice as a pet. You only really want 1 Demon spec lock in the raid, otherwise some weird things happens to the Demonic Pact buff. At this current point in the game, Demon locks sacrifice their own DPS for RDPS. (e.g. choosing pieces of gear with spirit on it over haste or crit to increase their own spell power more.)

Destro is an easier spec to play, and is more about the damage. Destro is better in 10 mans when there are not as many people to benefit from your demonic pact buff, or when there is already a demon lock in the raid. Also the common Destro spec has Replenishment which will give mana back to the 10 people with the lowest mana, which is nice to have on long boss fights.

Additionally AoE is better on a Demon and Affliction lock than a Destro lock. For a Demon lock, you pop into Meta and use Immolation aura with SoC, far outweighs anything a desto lock can do AoE wise.

amarios · 06/25/10, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Rhombus078

snip

Download landsoul's spreadsheet and you'll find out. :p

aya90 · 06/25/10, 12:20 PM

I just tried out this frost dps aas a 5.2k gs . I DID the most damage in ony 25. My dps was 10k .

This build is good for some raids only..

voa 25 = no

Toosh · 06/25/10, 12:25 PM

I need help getting my dps past 5.5-6k in ICC... my rotation is ABx4 then when MB procs AM here is a link to my armory <iframe src="http://us.wowarmory.com/character-model-embed.xml?r=The+Scryers&cn=Amorinol&rhtml=true" scrolling="no" height="588" width="321" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Annul · 06/25/10, 1:27 PM

On the whole, what are the relative stat values for fire? For example, I have a ring that has SP, hit, and crit and a ring that has SP, hit, and haste, all in almost equivalent values. Is the crit better or is haste still superior a la arcane?

[Scald] · 06/25/10, 1:36 PM

Originally Posted by Annul

On the whole, what are the relative stat values for fire? For example, I have a ring that has SP, hit, and crit and a ring that has SP, hit, and haste, all in almost equivalent values. Is the crit better or is haste still superior a la arcane?

That's entirely depending on your current gearset, at very high gear levels the balance swings in favour of crit whereas lower gear levels haste still wins. This is why the best-in-slot gear set for fire includes 5 pieces of Tier 10.

Put your setup into rawr or another type of theorycrafting setup and see what it spits out for you.

foofy1337 · 06/25/10, 1:59 PM

soo i was trying to screw around with my spec a little bit and i looked into demo shout.. and improved demo shout.. i have a build here probably junk but i couldn't find a better build for demo should... Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

can any1 give me some suggestions? please.. let me know.. how to tweak it..