Awesome save them so we get killed. There could have been alot more resourceful things put into action besides a taunt. This whole change is confusing enough but I'm not gonna judge until its released.

Although this thread hasn't been touched since TBC, it is the appropriate place to post my question. While JC and chanting remain massively OP as professions go in general, I was wondering about the efficacy of professions like mining and herbalism for a tank, a DK tank specifically. Does Toughness give enough stamina as to be useful? Does Lifeblood heal enough to be considered a "free" tanking cooldown?

The main problem at the moment is the AP scaling. Changing from FAP to weapon damage has nerfed all the abilities that use AP scaling, I hope Blizzard will fix it soon making all the abilities (rake, rip, fb, swipe, lacerate, FFF) scale with weapon damage instead of ap.

Lifeblood does not scale well enough at current max health levels to be really effective, although it is off the GCD and has no cost i don't see it being more valuable than the extra BS sockets or JC only gems. I know that for rogues all the gathering professions are ranked below the crafting ones, I would be surprised if this is any different for Tanks.

Toughness is worth 60 Stamina at lvl 80, not sure if this makes it better than any of the crafting professions, although my suspicion is that it wont.

To state the obvious, the amount of haste you should shoot for has no single optimum to maximize hps. All the optimal values lie on a pareto frontier, which depends on many things such as the healing rotation required for your healing assignment on a particular fight, buffs, spec, your other stats, other raid members' specs, random in fight occurrences, lag, etc. The uncertainty involved will make your head spin, even if you have the computing power to monte carlo all the scenarios. I think a reasonable value of haste to use for a holy priest is between 14.5% - 25%. Closer to 14.5% benefits the coh + 4 spell rotation while closer to 20% helps for spamming fh or gh on a tank healing assignment. Getting over 30% to get coh + 5 spells takes quite a bit of haste and would certainly cannibalize other stats such as regen components int and spi, sp, and crit. Additionally, crit need not be over 30% raid buffed because your procs start to overlap.

Starting a holy priest from scratch, I would first collect int until satisfied with my regen. At this point, never stop stacking sp, stack haste not past 25%, stack crit not past 25% (+5% from boomkin).

I know it flies in the face of the data crunching and calculating but it has been an effective and simple strategy for me for making gear and gem decisions.

Hi, I'm a relatively new priest and I have a simple question.

I've been reading that I should get the 2 piece Tier 9 and fill my other slots with i245 items.

However, there seem to be two choices for me.

Mantle of Catastrophic Emanation - Item - World of Warcraft
Pauldrons of Revered Mortality - Item - World of Warcraft

Now normally, I would choose the one without spirit, but it seems to have haste, which most people deem necessary. I don't know which one to choose. Thanks.

Wrathful Gladiator's Recurve - Item - World of Warcraft

vs

Zod's Repeating Longbow - Item - World of Warcraft

Whats everyones preference?

I'm wondering what the chance is of HoR losing it's damage portion entirely now that HS is baseline. Probably pretty high?

Living Bomb is a ~5% boost in itselt right now, plus Hot Streak. It will benefit more from DoT talents and counts towards Critical Mass, and Fireball base scaling will get reduced. You'll also lose 1,27% damage and crit and 1.5% (I think) non-DoT damage from having only 43/51 points in your main tree.

The last pushback fight I'm aware of was M'uru, and even there they removed it in their first review. It would be really fun and effective in Pushback Hell, but there are too many things wrong with Pushback Hell as a design in itself. And it's a single-use gimmick. Still, a fun possibility.

On another note, I took a look at consumables when I was thinking about mana dependency and conversion. Level 85 flasks are +300 to str/agi/sta/int, there are obviously 4 flasks. Potions look more interesting however. At level 78, there is one to restore 9k HP, one for 11k mana, one for 8.6k mana and HP (with small variances), at 80 there is one with 1-20.000 mana and HP and one with 20k mana over 10s while you are defenseless (at worth, that's dreamless sleep Mk IV), to to disguise yourself as someone else (a PnP game master might allow that as threat dump, that would definitely be a creative use!), and at level 85, there is a 1250 int for 25s potion.

If you have to use Evocation, using that during your intellect potion is probably a good idea. You gain ~12k extra mana at the cost of ~20k extra damage damage compare to usign Evocation outside the potion cooldown. It's certainly better than mana potting, and will likely continue to do so even with level 85 mana potions. And I don't think they can break or remove the extra mana Evo-on-Int-Potion easily either. They can do all other sorts of things however. Evo-on-temporary-Int looks certainly interesting, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets scrapped.

I read a comment from one of the rogues in For the Horde (EU) and they go 4pc set and add TAJ instead of WFS because of the too low amount of hit they'd otherwise have, this setups seems to be ahead with a pure evis rotation.

Aldriana's going with 2pc + Ikfirus, Gangrenous and, well, Aldriana's. Fallenz from FtH wears 5pc and Natoxz 4pc + Aldriana's. In that setup, Fallenz for example is running with 288 hit with TAJ, without it he'd be having 203 hit which is below the poison hit cap even if he had a draenei (additionally to misery or imp ff). He's running almost 20k Dps on Saurfang 25H (with 25% buff), try and plug his gear into the a sheet.

Keep telling yourself that. Seriously. If enough of us say "there would be no reason to have shred" and maybe they'll fix the ridiculous positional requirement that no one else has to deal with. Cat swipe too?

I mean, mangle is competitive now if only through complicated simulations and they haven't fixed it, I don't have complete faith in them to balance the numbers correctly.