Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 120

jettay · 03/24/09, 7:59 AM

Hello,

I've probably missed something but I can't understand why the current 0/40/31 build is better than this one.

The only difference is a point in "Mana Feed" from "Demonic Embrace".

I think that a OOM Imp is not very usefull compare to 1% PV but the Sim seems to give Extra SP or something else with this Extra Stamina.

Alghieri · 03/24/09, 8:21 AM

I know you haven't integrated the T8 bonuses yet, but once you get around to doing that, could you please run a sim of the 0/40/31 before and after the T8 2 piece bonus change to affliction? it would be interesting to see the amount of damage that one change takes away.

I would do it myself but I don't run windows. Thanks in advance.

HelpMe29 · 03/24/09, 9:58 AM

i have and 80 rogue semi noob played pre bc now that im back into it it seems harder to get my rotation down your more than welcome to armory me sodapop on deathwing server im speced as mut. but i cant get my dps any higher that 1700 on a good day this makes it harder to gear up beacuse i get kicked like a scrub from any group i attend unless w/ guild thank god my guild is cool and they dont kick me lol please shoot me some pointers and tips

Shodan30 · 03/24/09, 10:26 AM

It's Dissapointing that even with the CB change, Full destro is rather low on the list.

duhwhat · 03/24/09, 10:45 AM

Life tap buff upkeep takes priority over all other actions except Haunt debuff upkeep.

Kryptik · 03/24/09, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Shodan30

Has the OP been updated to reflect the increase in Chaos Bolt damage on the latest PTR?

Read more thoroughly.

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

OP has been updated to reflect the CB base damage and glyph of immolate changes.

Sergius · 03/24/09, 11:12 AM

Apologies if I've missed it, has there been much discussion on hybrid build (0/40/31) glyphs?

I'd say the lifetap and conflag glyphs are required. But have we worked out the relative weightings for the imp/immo/incin glyphs?

With the changes to mana feed imp will never run OOM, the build I linked below has pretty much all imp buffing talents, but I'd still be surprised if its more than 15% of my DPS. 20% on top of that is another 3% total DPS.

The immo glyph will buff both the immo ticks and also conflag damage, I'm not sure how I would go about getting a total % increase in damage from this though.

A straight 5% on incinerate sounds great, but with the current rotations we are looking at fewer incinerate casts, and more curse/immo/conflag/SF casts. I reckon incin would still be about 45%-50% of a locks damage, in which case the 5% bonus would be around a 2.5% total increase, broadly in line with the imp glyph

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...4&version=9722

FATALDAMAGE · 03/24/09, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I've started putting together gear sets using the T8-level loot that's been discovered on the PTR. I don't think I'll include any of this in the OP quite yet, but here's the result of running the same simulation with the best PTR gear I could find:

This includes T8 2-piece and 4-piece bonuses. The gear sets are as follows:

Warlock_T8_Hit_Gear.simcraft

Warlock_T8_Gear.simcraft

Looks like 41/30 took a big hit... that sucks, I really like that build.

Bessa · 03/24/09, 12:13 PM

We all knew the conflag nerf was coming cant say im surprised, what i am dissappointed in is them nerfing Immolate rather than nerfing Conflags Coeeficient.

Originally Posted by wow2k6

Well I see 0/40/31 still far on top if you forget about the Doomguard...

Which feels about right where it should be, Meta still needs a big boost to catch up, possibly giving the Felguard a Bleed or somthing.

With the change to T8 2 piece would i be right in thinking its now alot bigger boost for Aff spec and would push it out even further with DG up and catch us up in straight non gimmick foramt. (imp/felhunter)

TheXo · 03/24/09, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by HelpMe29

i have and 80 rogue semi noob played pre bc now that im back into it it seems harder to get my rotation down your more than welcome to armory me sodapop on deathwing server im speced as mut. but i cant get my dps any higher that 1700 on a good day this makes it harder to gear up beacuse i get kicked like a scrub from any group i attend unless w/ guild thank god my guild is cool and they dont kick me lol please shoot me some pointers and tips

you could do proper enchants on your head, shoulders, chest, wrist
check your gems: no need to put crit gems in, when your lacking expertise
swap your weapons: faster one MH in your case, or try do get another fast one for your MH

last, but not least: check the pocket guide for info about gemming, rotation and enchants.

Anuva · 03/24/09, 2:07 PM

How would it look to simulate 0/40/31 /w DG?
it having 50% uptime and FD summon with latter spec shouldn't be an issue to swap pets in combat.

Apologies if i repeated something that has been said before as i found none of it.

pattaya · 03/24/09, 3:23 PM

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AgulaDX · 03/24/09, 4:25 PM

Could someone run this build and see how it performs?

Glyphs: Agony, Immolate, Searing Pain

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9722

The basics is just to incorporate Searing Pain in between Conflags to keep Pyroclasm up as best as possible.

Tenemit · 03/24/09, 6:27 PM

Hi guys... this is my first post here... i was thinking in something like this 7/10/54
what do you think?

judger · 03/24/09, 6:46 PM

Yes it does

Ty for pointing out my inadaquate reading skills.

concept84 · 03/24/09, 6:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tenemit

Hi guys... this is my first post here... i was thinking in something like this 7/10/54
what do you think?

Only a few posts above yours this build was commented on. Please actually read the threads you are posting in, you may actually your answer.

KaizokuE · 03/24/09, 7:45 PM

Ahh, thank you for the clarification on haste vs distance. That certainly does alleviate some of my concerns for 0/40/31.

haradda · 03/24/09, 8:20 PM

Ok, I have a question regarding my DK, who recently hit 80. I have been utilizing a sort of unique tank build that has recieved many different comments, some positive and some negative. Thus, I decided to ask about it here, as I have recieved so much help through the forums before.

That said, here's the link: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

If u have any advice on how this build could be improved, or what I may want to cinsider, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

vlee · 03/24/09, 8:50 PM

Take a look at this dual wielding build and let me know what you all think please.

WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Death Knight -> Talent Calculator

Death Knight Talents
Minimum Required Level: 80
Required Talent Points: 71

Blood Talents - 16 point(s)

# Blade Barrier - rank 5/5
# Bladed Armor - rank 5/5
# Rune Tap - rank 1/1
# Dark Conviction - rank 5/5

Frost Talents - 44 point(s)

# Improved Icy Touch - rank 3/3
# Glacier Rot - rank 2/2
# Toughness - rank 5/5
# Black Ice - rank 5/5
# Nerves of Cold Steel - rank 3/3
# Icy Talons - rank 5/5
# Killing Machine - rank 5/5
# Frigid Dreadplate - rank 3/3
# Deathchill - rank 1/1
# Improved Icy Talons - rank 1/1
# Rime - rank 3/3
# Howling Blast - rank 1/1
# Frost Aura - rank 2/2
# Unbreakable Armor - rank 1/1
# Frost Strike - rank 1/1
# Guile of Gorefiend - rank 3/3

Unholy Talents - 11 point(s)

# Vicious Strikes - rank 2/2
# Morbidity - rank 3/3
# Anticipation - rank 2/5
# Virulence - rank 3/3
# Outbreak - rank 1/3

What I am trying to do is a build that is for tanking, high DPS and high crit damage. Any help will be very helpful here.

Thank you.

Veldon

Waroy · 03/24/09, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Syllex

Honest Question: Are Warlocks going to need replenishment if they are Lifetapping every 20 seconds for the Glyph buff?

The warlock may not need it, but your healers might be hurting for it even more!

Tenemit · 03/24/09, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by concept84

Only a few posts above yours this build was commented on. Please actually read the threads you are posting in, you may actually your answer.

I'm sorry... but I have not seen that build above or anywhere in the threads... when i asked about it, was the exact build that i posted... not the 7/10/54 in general... i am new in this so plz forgive me, didn't know that you put all the xx/xx/xx builds in the same box... =P

pisteronial · 03/25/09, 1:09 AM

I don't understand, I'm combat with almost all best in slot gear i've been a rogue since before TBC and I can't get over 4.5k on patchwerk, as combat [Calamity's Grasp] and [Webbed Death] both berserking and all best in slot enchants, i'm doing 3CP SND/5CP rupture/5CP eviscerate

Is there any current spec I wouldn't think of doing a very good amount of dps (over 5k?)

Current weapons I have:

Calamitys
webbed death
Sinister revenge
Hailstorm

arrockk11 · 03/25/09, 2:35 AM

Ok i have a ? for the pros....I seem to get more dps with a 2 18 51 spec rather than 6 14 51...i have a few best in slot pieces but some to go....any ideas?

mdn · 03/25/09, 2:49 AM

Originally Posted by pisteronial

I don't understand, I'm combat with almost all best in slot gear i've been a rogue since before TBC and I can't get over 4.5k on patchwerk, as combat [Calamity's Grasp] and [Webbed Death] both berserking and all best in slot enchants, i'm doing 3CP SND/5CP rupture/5CP eviscerate

Is there any current spec I wouldn't think of doing a very good amount of dps (over 5k?)

Current weapons I have:

Calamitys
webbed death
Sinister revenge
Hailstorm

How fast do you kill it? Does your raid stack buffs? If you're missing melee buffs and/or killing it slower than other guilds, you're not going to see the same dps numbers even if you're doing everything right.

saedo · 03/25/09, 3:09 AM

Originally Posted by pisteronial

I don't understand, I'm combat with almost all best in slot gear i've been a rogue since before TBC and I can't get over 4.5k on patchwerk

Are you still slime dipping for unneccesary reasons?