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Old 03/27/09, 1:23 AM   #3026
Anthilion
Glass Joe
 
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Grim Batol (EU)
Darn...i really dont agree with the change in MoM talent...not "stacking" with OB anymore will wreck the OB -> OB -> HSx2 -> RC Dump rotation...

Maybe i'll try this build and adding, somehow, a DS in : \

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Old 03/27/09, 4:33 AM   #3027
Jetman
 
Orc Hunter
 
Barthilas
Originally Posted by Jaclyn View Post
/castsequence reset=2 Chimera Shot, Arcane Shot, Aimed Shot, Steady Shot, Steady Shot, Steady Shot
/cast Silencing Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
This macro is a little better

/castsequence reset=target Hunter's Mark,Serpent Sting,null
/castsequence reset=target Arcane Shot,Chimera Shot,Aimed Shot,Steady Shot,Arcane Shot,Steady shot,Chimera Shot,Aimed Shot,Arcane Shot,Steady Shot,Steady Shot

Every 2nd Chimera shot will be fired 1.5 seconds after its up though, best I could get it

Last edited by Jetman : 03/27/09 at 11:09 AM.

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Old 03/27/09, 5:13 AM   #3028
redding
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Tauren Druid
 
Gundrak
Hit 6000 DPS on patch last wednesday, thats pretty good, havn't seen many boomkins over around 6k.

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Old 03/27/09, 6:04 AM   #3029
Artamier
Banned
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Stormrage
Ok I've been reading alot of post the last week or so. I just want to know if someone can post something from the post up so far which spec at this point is pushing the most DW, or 2H spec. Also what is the spec your using and the rotation you are using the one i've seen good is somethin like 0/27/43 DW, in unholy presence and rotation goes something like PS<IT<PS<IT<BB<BB<UB, then PS<IT<IT<IT<IT<DC dump, not sure if this spec is any good anymore on the PTR or if its the best one. I just want someone to put up a post saying what spec is the best so far on the PTR and the rotation there using, Glyph's, exe. thank you.

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Old 03/27/09, 7:40 AM   #3030
Gislo
 
Orc Shaman
 
Daggerspine (EU)
Hai guys

heya, im atm rated 2230 ~ in 2v2 bracket with a disc priest / enhance setup. as highest we've been at 2300.

i don't feel like writing a wall of text as some u have, but if anyone have any questions i can do my best to answer them.

i have to agree with some of you writing that flametounge should be converted into a pvp buff with an ms effect or similiar but saying that our dmg is bad and that we lost most of our burst in just bull#%/(), i mean with a good fear and a timed bloodlust i can kill a paladin or similiar relativly fast often before his teammates fear breakes.

imo it's not that enhancement is bad, it's the other dps classes that are unbalanced atm such as dks and hunter.

typos is on the house.

/Tesi (Daggerspine - EU Realms)

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Old 03/27/09, 8:08 AM   #3031
Serthox
 
Human Rogue
 
Kazzak (EU)
Originally Posted by Rensy View Post

Okay so here is my UI. Trying to give an example of simplicity without sacrificing any function what-so-ever.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...dfdfdfdf-1.jpg
What addon is that green bar, that tracks your Deadly poions ticks (it seems like)?

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Old 03/27/09, 8:59 AM   #3032
Oblivium
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Quel'Thalas (EU)
I was really hoping to go back to Blood (since the leveling days) because as much as I love Unholy, a little change would be (is always) good.

But based on all your reports, not only Blood is not as good as it was predicted to be, but also, it seems, it will be worse than ever.

Oh well... keep Unholy, then.

*sigh*

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Old 03/27/09, 9:25 AM   #3033
ltdeta
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Arthas (EU)
i don't know this addon but i use this one MutilatePoints

it tracks your Deadly poions and combo point ticks

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Old 03/27/09, 11:24 AM   #3034
deadlyice
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Mage
 
Moon Guard
Originally Posted by Astrylian View Post
Yes, mages are that far behind, except for Arcane; SimulationCraft handles Arcane rotations poorly. Arcane DPS is actually within a couple % of Fire.

Why are mages falling so far behind? 10% behind warlocks and rogues? 15% behind feral druids? dats crazy!

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Old 03/27/09, 11:25 AM   #3035
kryyformlol
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Skullcrusher
Deathstrike dmg reduced.

So I was reading the patch notes and it looks like they lowered that damage on Death strike, does this mean they want us back to obliterate? I personally still haven't had the chance to test it on the ptr since I'm at work.

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Old 03/27/09, 11:28 AM   #3036
Keruen
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Hunter
 
Scarlet Crusade
What about a spec like this for those who might not want to deal with an uncontrollable ghoul?

The idea would be to get the biggest Death Coils possible. Since not using a ghoul (or popping it right before a pull and hoping it lasts a few seconds before getting owned) frees up a glyph slot, the IT glyph becomes a somewhat attractive option for Blood, due to the extra RP generation.

Since Blood seems to be remaining about spamming HS, thus it will be pretty GCD-limited, you'd probably need to stay in Unholy presence (unless the extra RP from RPM gives enough of a buffer that you can DPS in Blood presence without sitting at 130 RP and wasting it).

The last 2 points I put into Annihilation just because I didn't really know where to put them - I figured 2% more crit on melee abilities is better than 2% more strength. You could also put them into Icy Talons for 8% more haste, dunno. But Epidemic isn't really necessary with this build since you'll want to cast IT as often as possible for the extra RP.

Again I have no idea how viable this is, never really played Blood much aside from leveling. Just seemed like a decent option for those who don't want an uncontrollable ghoul that will have more survivability, but less DPS since it won't be getting a lot of raid buffs.

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Old 03/27/09, 12:16 PM   #3037
IggyMac
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Tauren Warrior
 
Eldre'Thalas
nix

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Old 03/27/09, 12:35 PM   #3038
Tinava
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Human Warlock
 
Scarlet Crusade
Hmm. Reviewing the OP, I see that lifetap glyph has taken precedence over the incinerate glyph on fire builds. Is it that big of a dps increase over the incinerate glyph then?

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Old 03/27/09, 12:41 PM   #3039
CagedShogun
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Uther
Originally Posted by david0925 View Post
In addition, as mentioned above, your trinket isn't nerfed in terms of absolute number, and you will still see an increase in dps contribution. It's just that agility one is better now, and I can somewhat understand your frustration, but getting another card isn't a very daunting task.

I leveled inscription for the soul purpose of making a nobles deck. I don't have an herbalist so every mat used was from the AH. I made my deck within the first month or so of lich king. All in all I spent around 10k making the deck but made about 5k back selling other cards,decks etc. So for about 5k I got the best in slot trinket. I guess to some that doesn't seem like a daunting task but it does take a lot of gold which I am not about to pony up again because blizzard feels the need to adjust our stats/mechanics. Now I understand that gear can't last forever. Items get replaced with upgrades. Items get nerfed. Ok, fine. Mine was neither of those. Mine was due to a change in class mechanics or talents whatever you want to call it. So I will put in a ticket and I will argue my point with which ever drone gm they send out. Am I optimistic about getting it swapped out? NO! I will try though and I'll probably put a ticket in every day complaining about it...lol

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Old 03/27/09, 1:31 PM   #3040
Bosmonster
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Warlock
 
Runetotem (EU)
Originally Posted by gherkin View Post
Using 3/13/55 as an example:

Using 1.49 spell power scaling and 500 spirit, 500 x .2 x 1.49 = Glyph of Life Tap (every 20) is 149 dps for 20 seconds

Incinerate's DPET (Damage Per Execution Time) is 4984 which makes up 48% of your dps, 4984 x .05 x .48 = Glyph of Incinerate119.6 dps.

Using Lifetap "As needed" (estimate puts it at around 30 seconds, dependant on Replenishment, mana pool, etc) makes Glyph of Lifetap (as needed) 100 dps (20/30 = 2/3rds as much).

However, you can lifetap while moving such that it doesn't mess with your rotation when you have time to dps. You can't incinerate while moving.
In other words, it is a fairly close call and depends on your preferred playstyle.

I can imagine people not wanting to have their dps rely partially on Life tap, but rather take the Incinerate glyph.

Personal choice.

For Affliction however (or non-Incinerate builds in general), Lifetap glyph doesn't really have dps-competition.

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Old 03/27/09, 1:39 PM   #3041
Valiad
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Silvermoon (EU)
Originally Posted by stickums View Post
Not sure if it was mentioned, and it's a trivial change.. but Massacre (and I assume other enchants) shows up on Journey's End now.
Finally, having a simple wood staff with no glow on my back was uber boring at least for me so far.

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Old 03/27/09, 1:55 PM   #3042
irani
 
Human Rogue
 
Smolderthorn
combat swords dps

what is the best spec for combat using 2 swords? and the best dps rotation?

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Old 03/27/09, 2:37 PM   #3043
Tharvos
Von Kaiser
 
Human Death Knight
 
Mal'Ganis (EU)
Wow the new t8 stats suck hard... I didn't expect them changing it from bad to even worse.
Why so much haste again? Why so much stamina, even more than it had before. And am i right that it has less total crit than the current DPS25 t7?
The armorpenetration was fine. T7 was more in favor for Unholy/Frost DKs, T8 is (ok was) in favor for Blood dks.
Now its just.... meh....

My english isn't perfect, but i hope you can understand it.

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Old 03/27/09, 4:11 PM   #3044
wrxhokie
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Thrall
Cool Thanks all.

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Old 03/27/09, 4:22 PM   #3045
Kogan64
Glass Joe
 
Orc Rogue
 
Blackrock
I know its a bit off subject but with the changes to the Wolf AP buff would using that pet be better for Survival or should I continue with the Raptor?

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Old 03/27/09, 4:29 PM   #3046
swortsoul
 
Tauren Druid
 
Earthen Ring
Originally Posted by thedopefishlives View Post
Sample test case: 2088 spell power, hit-capped, 27% crit, 18% haste (in 10-man raid buffs). Rawr's selected rotation shows IS/MF/W. No Eclipse, but does have Starfire glyph, so effective rotation is MF/SFx3/IS/WxN.

Illustration of the Dragon Soul: 210.0 DPS
Embrace of the Spider: 143.1 DPS
Sundial of the Exiled: 128.5 DPS
Dying Curse: 117.0 DPS
Thunder Capacitor: 116.6 DPS
Forge Ember: 115.8 DPS
Extract of Necromantic Power: 102.3 DPS

That's the output from Rawr for the top caster trinkets. Mark of the War Prisoner is worth 94.3 DPS if you need the hit, 43.5 DPS without. Similar numbers for the JC trinket.

So this leads me to a question, which I've searched for but failed, how much dps is +50 SP? I assume that depends on the spell cast (2.5 second cast time, compared to something faster for example). The reason I ask, is that I'm trying to figure out if it's worth dropping the Mark of the War Prisoner for the Sundial of the Exiled. I'd have to re-gem to stay hit capped, which would drop around 50 SP.

Is that worth considering?

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Old 03/27/09, 5:11 PM   #3047
Vereessa
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Drak'thul (EU)
AttT

Hi, I was wondering if there is an addon which can monitor AttT mechanism timing. Something like swing timer but for AttT counting.

So I could get small amouth of ATP ( 150 ) for about 28s by switching betwen my armor and dps gear at right moment.

Thx for answears.

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Old 03/27/09, 6:03 PM   #3048
Humbaba
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Humbalo
Tauren Druid
 
No WoW Account
Originally Posted by redding View Post
Hit 6000 DPS on patch last wednesday, thats pretty good, havn't seen many boomkins over around 6k.

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I hate to piss in your Cheerios, but that says 5959, not 6k. Nice job regardless, though.

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Old 03/27/09, 10:45 PM   #3049
redding
Banned
 
Tauren Druid
 
Gundrak
sorry i like my cheerios now they are all wet

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Old 03/27/09, 10:45 PM   #3050
Feryar
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warrior
 
Deathwing (EU)
Since you can only swap weapons while in combat, I am not sure how that will work.
If you plan to swap a shield on, keep in mind that it will trigger a GCD, and you would be really lucky to have a GCD spare just before the calculation is made.

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