Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1221

Kaaskop · 07/26/10, 7:37 AM

Hey i was wondering about the BiS list,
With the BiS list you miss alot of hit, this can be gained back by gemming and enchanting but that brings forth my next question:
Is gemming in the yellow sockets for 10str 10hit and hit enchants a dps lost?
Or does the gain of crit from RS 25man hc neck weight it out?
TL;DR:
Is it better to take RS hc neck and gem for hit + enchants. Or is taking icc deathwhisper neck + gemming str haste better?

StechusKaktus · 07/26/10, 2:23 PM

The Tip about the Spreadsheet will come in handy. And tanks for confirming that ICC5 Gear works.

Moody · 07/26/10, 5:45 PM

Thank you very much...for everything.

Wheva · 07/26/10, 6:25 PM

Originally Posted by solidpat

I've always used that macro on blood runes when its time to pop Unbreakable Armor. I tested different ones, on sets of blood runes and death runes. And this one seem to do a better job than the others. But here are things you need to know when you use it.

DO NOT FORGET to cancel aura. Basically when you pop the macro from 2 blood runes, your diseases are within 1-2 secs from falling off. It is very useful to use the macro simply because you have a better chance of not failing on the diseases. When you use it, you will have 2 death runes. When they will refresh, use Obliterate. (You should be in your OB OB OB phase). Once you have used OB on those Death runes, one of them will be back into a blood rune, and 1 into a death rune. That's the time to press CANCEL AURA. IF you don't, you will lose rune synch.

Also. by using that macro, you are also losing 1 blood strike every minute compared to the perfect scenario of using BS-BT-UA-PEST. I tried doing this sequence before, and since i stopped using it, my diseases drop very very rarely. maybe once every 4-5 bosses. I guess it's a preference and a letency/computer matter. But for me, the macro above works better.

Addition: I also have 2 versions of that macro. The basic one listed above + another one with haste potions incorporated in it. Sometimes it's nice to time it differently with Bloodlust.

and yes i see what you mean by using /cancelaura macro. I started to notice that one blood rune thing going on

jbizz · 07/26/10, 8:33 PM

I just respect my duel spec to frost after I got 2 heroic bloodvenom blades from ICC. I have mastered the single target rotation of frost, Im just looking for some help with info on a frost aoe rotation for icc trash/ 5 man heroics etc.

Thanks a lot

skmz · 07/27/10, 5:54 AM

Edited: Solved it, thanks anyways.

Floopy · 07/27/10, 8:48 AM

Tanking question to betatesters. [build 12604]

I was thinking about two builds one is this

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

with field dresing 2/2 and blood craze 3/3

and this

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

with blood craze 3/3 and revange 2/2

My questions for protection are:
1) Can you have a chain proc of blood craze on you or it has internal cooldown ?
2) Blood and Thunder is a good choice ? Maybe solo Thunderstruck is all i need ?
3) Can i cast Vigilance on Group ?
4) Impeding Victory worth anything ? because for me it seems to be junk ( depends on encounter design ;/ )
5) Gar Order 1/2 is worth anything or only 2/2 is choosen ?
6) From new rend formula ( Warrior Estimation Blog, [build 12539] Rend new formula ) is it better to use 2.6 vs 1.6 tanking weapons and do they will even exist ?

i also have some ideas about fury / arms i posted on my log
Warrior Estimation Blog, [build 12604 ]New Build! New Build

My questions for arms are:
1) Do we have all the rage we need to roll standard rotation ( with numbers i got from EJ Warrior Estimation Blog, [Build 12604 ]Rage Normalization, Me Starving we will be starving ? )
2) Mortal Strike is still 30 rage ?
3) Do Mastery proc is "white" and give rage ?
4) Any chance to have PvE dps on level of Fury ?

My questions for fury are:
1) Stance dancing for rend is still up for TG ?
2) With enrage effect not being up for 100% time ( chaining of enrage cd ) is there any big difference between SMF and TG ?

( sorry if i made typo ;/ )

EDIT:
Ok i did simple maths for blood craze ( using bernoulli scheme )

P(5) = 3.19213611199544% uptime: 41.6666666666667%
P(4) = 8.97788281498717% uptime: 33.3333333333333%
P(3) = 16.6771816996666% uptime: 25.0%
P(2) = 28.5179807064298% uptime: 16.6666666666667%
P(1) = 27.0170343534599%% uptime: 8.33333333333333%

[ P(n) = chance to get n scores]
So we can guess that the uptime will be ~10-15% nice.

nipps17 · 07/27/10, 9:39 AM

May seem like a dumb question but here goes. I recently switched to frost spec for dps so far has worked out well. Lastnight i got Bryntroll and had several ppl tell me i should be using it instead of DWing in frost. My 1 hand weapons are not great by any means but i pull alot more dps with them in frost then with bryntroll in 0/17/54 am i missing something?

Marklevin · 07/27/10, 1:34 PM

I was doing a GDKP the other day and the DPS Death Knight was using Chains of Ice to apply Frost Fever? Is there any good reason to do this? I thought that Icy Touch would always be better except in situations where you need to slow something. This guy did it for the whole run though, had me really scratching my head at the end of the night.

clarkkent93 · 07/27/10, 3:04 PM

Great guide.

One comment: it talks about the talent spec but there's no link to view them. Will you fix this? I'm starting out as resto as lvl 23 and want to make sure I get it right.

Thanks for all your hard work!

kc102 · 07/27/10, 3:54 PM

IT is superior as it does damage. While CoI apply FF is nice, it's really situational. LDW adds for instance, or Valks on the Lich King. So, he was doing it wrong.

johnnythorpe · 07/27/10, 9:52 PM

Hi jerks,

just after a little advice when it comes to the relative stat values that rawr is giving me.

this is for arcane 57/3/11

in the past I have always run rawr 2 ways, one with all your standard 25 man buffs the other with all excluding hit rating.

but recently I've noticed that rawr has been wanting me to change all my 23 SP gems for 12sp/10haste due to haste being valued much higher.

so I ran it through again using mage only buffs too see the difference.

here are the RSV's from mage only buffs

spell power - 1.51
haste - 1.44
crit - 0.97
spirit - 0.90

here are the RSV's from perfect buffs

haste 2.35
spell power 2.16
crit - 1.33
spirit - 1.07

haste scales exponentially with the 2set t10, but should I be following rawrs perfect buff set up (replacing all 23 spell power gems for 12sp/10haste), or am I better off keeping my 23 SP gems as they are?

I also foresee this causing more problems as my gear gets a little better and I get closer to the GCD cap, but lets worry about that when it happens.

Astrylian · 07/27/10, 10:08 PM

You are not approaching the GCD cap any time soon (and neither is anyone else). Optimizing your gear when unbuffed is a terrible thing to do. You should optimize your gear with a standard set of buffs that you typically get when raiding. If you sometimes have a few buffs, just take some of them, or take them unimproved or something; being unbuffed heavily skews the value of different stats. Also, you should not be caring about or using relative stat values at all. It's totally expected to replace 23sp gems with 12sp/10haste gems as you get into T10 level gear.

johnnythorpe · 07/27/10, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

You are not approaching the GCD cap any time soon (and neither is anyone else). Optimizing your gear when unbuffed is a terrible thing to do. You should optimize your gear with a standard set of buffs that you typically get when raiding. If you sometimes have a few buffs, just take some of them, or take them unimproved or something; being unbuffed heavily skews the value of different stats. Also, you should not be caring about or using relative stat values at all. It's totally expected to replace 23sp gems with 12sp/10haste gems as you get into T10 level gear.

well its post's like Morthiras BiS setups (Optimal Sets / Item Discussion) that made me wonder if my rawr was wrong, thanks for the advice

Mandogovie · 07/28/10, 9:23 AM

Hello, I know going by the Spreadsheet Expertise is one of our worst stats as Arms mainly because any dodged attack can be made up by an Overpower.

However, I have read several posts and guides on the Internet that say Expertise is still fairly valuable and I am not sure which to believe. I personally just dropped two pieces of Expertise gear which I originally took because they were the best available items, and now my attacks are being dodged quite a lot with 3% expertise.

I have my bars setup to show me the internal cooldown on Taste for Blood so that I use the charge as quickly as possible in case an attack is dodged, but often the attack is dodged immediately before Taste for Blood refreshes, so I cannot Overpower to make up for the dodge or the attack dodged is Rend, which I reapply before using the Taste for Blood charge if it procced as Rend fell off. Am I better off still ignoring Expertise at the cost of a few dodged attacks per fight which couldn't be made up by an Overpower or should I go ahead and gem for the cap? I am easily armor pen capped and would merely be switching out Strength gems.

Thank you for any help.