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nevermind · 07/28/10, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Playered

I don't know what you are looking at exactly but currently there is no Moonfire/Starfire component to the talent only the 10% chance on Nourish/HT to Wrath.

As to the ToL DPS bonuses you have:
Wrath - Cast time reduced by 50%, damage increased by 30%
Thorns - unknown (the spell itself was meant to be redesigned)

I was looking at old notes (at work, can't access most wow sources). Editing original post.

Celebrim · 07/28/10, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Brotherbear

Generally speaking, haste is strong enough (even for combat) that the socket bonus will out weigh going pure ArP for gemming until you're pretty close to BiS. Off the top of my head, it was only a dps gain to socket pure ArP for my gear once I had about 900 passive rating. Even then it's on the order of 1-3 dps per gem.

Hence the Gangrenous Leggings being better than the crafted, the 13 iLevel difference is greater than the total lack of ArP on the pants.

I see. So this is something I really shouldn't be concerned with at the moment. Got the answers I was looking for.

Kizlyar · 07/28/10, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Celebrim

I see. So this is something I really shouldn't be concerned with at the moment. Got the answers I was looking for.

Looking at your armory, even with Deathbringer's Will substituted for Grim Toll, you're nowhere near the about of arpen that you need to be in order to be gemming entirely for it. At 35/35 expertise, I would also entirely drop the expertise ring and boots for perhaps lower ilvl items with better itemization and use only the set legs for your expertise needs. If you have access to Sack of Wonder, you could swap out the legs and just drop the 4-piece set bonus because it's really not that good anyway. Being under the expertise cap generally allows for more dps that being over it (and especially, such as your case, being considerably over it). You're a full 73 expertise rating above where you want to be; you most likely have access to some lower ilvl items such as Dexterous Brightstone Ring which would be a considerable upgrade over Seal of Many Mouths in terms of your dps. I also see that you're gemming for agility and crit, both of which are big time no-no's when you're crit capped (which you are; I plugged in all your gear in the spreadsheet). I'm finding your EP value for agility at 1.4371 and crit at a measley .8586 (these are the values assuming DBW instead of Grim Toll). Crit in particular is something you'll never gem for as a rogue in ICC gear, as we find crit capping almost inevitable in heroic ICC gear anyway.

Generally, at lower ilvl gear sets or with gear sets that don't have arpen on almost all your pieces, you're going to find attack power gemming to come out ahead in red slots (or occasionally agility if a good ways under the crit cap) and something like AP+hit/haste or straight hit/haste will be best for your yellows. As someone above said, you'll likely need to be able to hit 900-1000 arpen for arpen gemming to take over all red and yellow gem slots as well.

Also, thanks Aldriana for the updated spreadsheet.

Firestyle001 · 07/28/10, 1:43 PM

There's no commentary listed on using Bizuri's Totem of Shattered Ice. On certain encounters with widespread aura damage this relic is powerful. For example, Festergut H 25 and BQL H 25. While not optimal in all encounters, it maybe be worthwhile including it as an option in the relic section.

Baranis · 07/28/10, 10:06 PM

Most of our damage comes from white hits (melee) So the best potoin to use is Potoin of speed This will work quite well if you have a 1.50 Speed weapon in your offhand and will give you more procs for howling blast and Frost strike And for watching runes/Diseases/RP Get the addon Magic runes from curse.com The Engineer enchants are great too

jmr1969 · 07/28/10, 10:30 PM

I don't PVP. All i want to know is is the 13 0 58 the best template for the max dps ? i have 2 T-10 gs is around 5600 ish and my dps Blows !! If you could also do rotation recommendation as well i would appreciate that as well as all the caps for a shadow priest !! only gems i have on is runed CR P Dread and the ametrine i have all enchants cept the sons hodir have not done that yet...Thank you in Advance

Penkis · 07/28/10, 10:59 PM

Okay I've read through pretty much the entire thread and I just want something confirmed.
Moonkin PVE dps is all about making sure your dots + starfire/wrath and chaning when eclipse proccs + using CDS?

Damoclies · 07/28/10, 11:39 PM

I am currently wearing Carapace of Forgotten Kings, Handgrips of Frost and Sleet, and Leggings of Northern Lights on my enhance shammy. I am trying to decide if the 4 piece set bonus for T10 is adequate incentive to replace two of those with T10 gear (suffering a slight stat downgrade in the process.) Advice? How much of a DPS bump does 4 item T10 seem to bestow?

Runemaster · 07/29/10, 1:22 AM

Originally Posted by Kaaskop

Hey i was wondering about the BiS list,
With the BiS list you miss alot of hit, this can be gained back by gemming and enchanting but that brings forth my next question:
Is gemming in the yellow sockets for 10str 10hit and hit enchants a dps lost?
Or does the gain of crit from RS 25man hc neck weight it out?
TL;DR:
Is it better to take RS hc neck and gem for hit + enchants. Or is taking icc deathwhisper neck + gemming str haste better?

The best thing you can do is calculate the EP values based on your personal EP ratings of any net changes you have from the gear.

That's always the way to tell which is going to yield theoretical higher single-target Boss dps.

If you're too lazy to find your own EP values, the BiS values closest to your gear level and spec listed for each stat are good rules of thumb.

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Originally Posted by Kaaskop

Hey i was wondering about the BiS list,
With the BiS list you miss alot of hit, this can be gained back by gemming and enchanting but that brings forth my next question:
Is gemming in the yellow sockets for 10str 10hit and hit enchants a dps lost?
Or does the gain of crit from RS 25man hc neck weight it out?
TL;DR:
Is it better to take RS hc neck and gem for hit + enchants. Or is taking icc deathwhisper neck + gemming str haste better?

The best thing you can do is calculate the EP values based on your personal EP ratings of any net changes you have from the gear.

That's always the way to tell which is going to yield theoretical higher single-target Boss dps.

If you're too lazy to find your own EP values, the BiS values closest to your gear level and spec listed for each stat are good rules of thumb.

sindoreiguardian · 07/29/10, 3:26 AM

I recently started raiding in a progression guild and have been getting major upgrades fairly quickly. I Have been looking at the best pieces and gems to raise my dps using Zeherah's. I was told to gem ArP so I checked Zeherah's and it was an increase to gem all ArP so I did. Now in my raids my overall dmg done has gone down. I am not quite sure if I made a mistake in gemming ArP with the wrong gear or if this was a fluke. I've read multiple rules on when to gem ArP and talked to a few hunters yet nothing seems to be the same. When do you gem ArP? Is it the desired stat to gem anymore?

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jrcucueco · 07/29/10, 3:28 AM

I think the dps im dishing out is still too low.
I followed the unholy-frost w/o reaping build.
My GS is almost 5k, its about 4.9k.
My dps is usually around 3.5k - 4k.
I also follow the rotation on this page and only change it up when I need to AoE.

More information on my gear:
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Any constructive comments or tips are deeply appreciated.

pristess · 07/29/10, 5:06 AM

Is any rule for icc25/icc10 what kind of talent build is the best for each boss.

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DoomSpirit · 07/29/10, 6:14 AM

I can't look the armory where I am right now. But when you use the spreadsheet, keep in mind it has all the buffs/debuffs activated which may not be your case.
An important buff for arp are that I can see lacking is the 30% bleed damage incrase. But be sure that both the major and minot armor debuffs are used.

PS : Your armory is already linked in the left panel, no need for you to put it in your message.

ukdan2010 · 07/29/10, 8:27 AM

Hi guys, from the post above... Thanks alot guys your info is a big help but i have some questions if you dont mind answering them?

Im getting back into tanking with my dk and will be using the 9/10/52 talent build but what i also wanted to ask is what rotation do you use? or spells to use first then a priority list ect?

Like i said i new back to wow for about 6 - 12 months (who's counting) lol!

Whats the hit raiting now, def rating and what is the major gem to use after you hit both of those caps

Thanks all